Theory on why Cialis/Viagra _may_ produce greater gains

It has been noted in the past that some of the biggest gainers (such as Big Girtha) are also takers of ED medication. I started suffering from weak erections after restarting antidepressants last year, and I’ve noticed that nocturnal erections are far, FAR more frequent and rigid with cialis than otherwise.

My theory was that by providing a greater duration and rigidity of nocturnal erections ED meds might have a synergistic effect on gains by essentially being an “all night edging” session.

Note: I am not suggesting people who have no erectile problems should start using viagra or cialis, the side effects are potentially very dangerous.

The part of the theory I’ve validated so far is that tadalafil (cialis) at least produces stronger, longer durations during sleep, even in healthy men:

I don’t think it’s a stretch to assume that after a PE workout during the day, having your penis expanded to maximum dimensions for extended periods of time would be beneficial.

Thoughts?

I agree.

Thats why most guys get their best gains while ALSO experiencing their best EQ. I believe prolonged nite wood cements and/or possibly ADDS to the stretching they achieved while awake.

I do think this is best achieved by going for increased and great EQ first, then gains. The problem with using chemicals it may mask over training.

I have a viagra Rx. But I really don’t need it. It is nice because I can break it into small pieces and then use sparingly.

Out of this, I do agree that it really helps keep the blood flow going. I find I do not turtle much and I have more frequent nocturnal erections. I’ll buy into the theory that it helps with gains!

yes, that is a great point!

I agree on the over-training thing, that’s probably the biggest down-side.

I’ll be interested in seeing whether my gains suddenly jump after I get my new shipment of tadalafil.

I wonder if horny goat weed prior to sleep would have similar effects, icariin is a PDE-5 inhibitor just like other ED meds. The disadvantage is that its half-life is relatively short (somewhere between 1.5-2 hours).

R, (could be a nice pirate name), if I understand correctly, you are saying that horny goat weed contains ths icariin, which belongs to tha same class of drugs as the active ingredients in Cialia and Viagra? But it has a shorter half-life in the body?

Yep, although the icariin content varies between horny goat weed. I’ve found 20% standardized icariin HGW extract has worked well for me in the past.

Right now research is being done on icariin, I’ve seen several medical papers appear testing new and very potent derivatives. I wouldn’t be surprised to see new medications appear based on them.

http://en.wikip … rg/wiki/Icariin

I need to buy a capping kit for the next time I buy HGW though, it tastes awful.

Excellent information. Thank you for the reference. In answer to your original question, I have used low dose Cialis in tha past to increase arousal sensitivity and extend my performance window. I have found that the effects linger on beyond the claimed 36 hours, usually for 3 to 4 days afterward, particularly in terms of nocturnal and morning erections.

Many of the side effects of patent drugs are due to the fact that the pharmacuetical companies isolate or copy an active ingredient with no thought for the supportive role played by the sometimes hundreds of other chemicals in a particular herb. It may be that the Horny goat weed is a better alternative for supplementing physical PE and cementing gains with less risk of unwanted side effects; particularly if it clears the body so much faster. But then, I’m not a pharmacist. Any other sources of in-depth information for further research would be appreciated.

Thats why I recommend first dialing in, or adjusting your PE for max benefit FIRST…THEN you can add chemical assistance! I think this is the smart way to use chemical help. I think it may also very well increase gains, but that’s just speculation.