Female curiosity

Kegels against tension are an old tantric trick. I had heard about some men doing this with weights in recent times, but I had no idea the practice was so widespread. I heartily approve, as long as it’s done carefully.

Zaneblue. Good morning. You’re an early riser. But I guess early has already happened in Boston. If a man’s LOT is low, say six or seven, as mine is kegeling while hanging straight up gives the strongest retraction, or tug back and theoretically the greatest benefit. The higher the LOT the lower one should hang, or so the theory goes.

Flipping back a page I see hobby has already explained the LOT theory. Have you heard of this theory before coming here?

No, I had just heard tale of it—didn’t know it was still being done and didn’t know the particulars.

Zaneblue:
Female here. Don’t post very often. Don’t like the time on the computer. But..
My husband forwarded this to me and I am interested in these exercises. Can you send me to a site or tell about them.

More info please!

Zaneblue,

Nice to finally see someone that’s tried smartballs, jade egg, and kegelmaster as well as more I’ve never heard of. My girlfriend swears by the smartballs and thinks every woman should walk around with one on!

Interesting links and information you’ve posted. Welcome aboard.

Well the smartballs help with tone somewhat, but they’re really for getting off. *Cough, AMUSEMENT PARK, cough* But really to put on serious muscle, I think after an exhaustive review for the Women’s Sexual Health Foundation (which they still haven’t put up on the website) that the Gyneflex device is the most effective, easiest, and also one of the cheapest. It’s like a Nautilus machine for your pussy, very hard to screw up. Here’s a link:

http://www.gyneflex.com/

The trick is to get the right level. Levels #1 & #2—you pee when you sneeze. Levels #3 & #4—you’ve had a baby or two, a while back. Levels #5 & #6 -virgin or near virgin. HUGE range in levels. Make it to where you can close level #5 and basically you are back to virgin tightness. Make it to where you can close level #6 and you can start doing a nightclub act in Bangkok.

Very easy to use, two or three times a week, lie down, spread legs, insert and start flexing. Rhythmically flex for twenty minutes, as tight as you can. You can read or watch TV or whatever, although someone like me easily vaginally orgasmic I basically orgasm through most of it, which is very distracting.

ZaneBlue,

Welcome to Thunder’s. You are a breath of fresh air. So many men on this site are so anxious about their size, and no amount of reassurance from other males seems to do any good. I’ll bet many guys are breathing easier having read your opinions on size and performance.

I hope you’ll decide to stick around (and please don’t be selling anything without clearing it with the boss!).

I’m not selling anything! Oy. Okay, the Kegelmaster 2000 works similar to the Gyneflex, and has about the same range as all six levels of the Gyneflex. I suppose if a woman is starting out at the very lowest level, it would be cheaper. But it’s pinchy, which is a serious drawback in a device of this kind :chuckle: Also a real pain to clean with all the springs and whatnot, doesn’t feel as nice inside, and hard to keep the width at a constant level (you have to unscrew the screw thingie to clean it).

I am a big fan of the Kegelcisor too, but that’s not a device for newbies. A good analogy—if the Gyneflex is like a Nautilus machine, the Kegelcisor is like free weights. Trickier—harder to isolate the proper muscles.

In some ways I am the female equivalent of this website—it looks like there are certain devices recommended more than others here, and some homemade devices too. Best homemade device for women really on a budget—no range so frustrating for the new user to work up to it, but those stone eggs sold in gift shops work very nicely. You can get one off of ebay for five bucks, just get a smallish one.

From what I’ve seen from the website, doesn’t the Gyneflex just work the outer third band of muscles? From Mantak Chia’s book, he recommends the egg so as to work all three bands seperately.

Mantak Chia’s approach is too hard for the woman just starting off. Discouragingly hard and complicated. If a woman develops good basic tone and is into it, then I think the more complicated stuff has it’s appeal.

Great tip there zb. I got mrs. x Chia’s book and a kegel egg 15 years ago…discouragingly hard and complicated was her conclusion too. I hope the gyneflex is more to her liking. Thanks for your contributions here.

Boy !! You are so right girl! In all my life I have only once experienced sex with a woman who could actually squeeze hard enough to prevent me from moving or leaving ( not that I wanted to). If it is so easy for women to develop that muscle , why doesn’t someone tip them off? Just thinking of the sensation is delightful (and frustrating)

Well, a number of reasons women don’t know. Women are starting to have a dim awareness that they should be doing something—Oprah had vaginal cone weights on her show and Sex And The City had a show that mentioned the importance of exercise. But generally when women think of exercise, they think kegels are sufficient to get good tone. Kegels will work if you want to not pee when you sneeze, but that’s about as far as they go. As far as I know, there has been only one study showing that exercise with resistance worked better than Kegels for PC muscle tone—that one was done with vaginal cone weights, in Scotland if I recall correctly, and did in fact show better results with the weights.

I wrote an informal review of various devices available to women for improving tone, and was ripped to shreds by two experts in the field. I was chastized for my lack of peer-reviewed studies supporting my assertions. I’m sorry, but hell will freeze over before there is a peer-reviewed study of various devices available. I was told the only device proven to work is of course a real perineometer (not the cheap kind available online). One of those babies costs $500. In other words, realistically to exercise your PC muscles with one of those, you would have to frequently see your practitioner who owns one of these devices. Handy for them I suppose. Perhaps I am being too cynical. There is also surgery for tightening, although that just tightens the opening and does nothing for sexual response.

And there’s no place like this, really, for women to go, at least not that I know of. Women’s sexuality issues tend to lag fifty years behind men’s—for example, nerve-sparing surgery. What did men do before this website? Even now most experts will say until they’re blue in the face that penis enlargement doesn’t work, but word is getting out because of this website.

Finally, alas, women don’t care much. They are so fixated on the idea that female sexuality is tied up with appearance. Women who are not vaginally orgasmic (more than half of all women) simply don’t know and don’t care what they are missing. The vagina is made to give birth—it’s not very sexually sensitive. Most women have about as much sensation vaginally as they do on their elbow.

Hi Zaneblue, :wave:

Ive been noticing some of your insightful posting over the past couple weeks and I just wanted to extend you a warm welcome to the forum. Sorry if I was a bit late in doing so… You have a good number of posts in the time you have been here which seems to indicate you may stick around. (we’ve seen them come and go) We can always use the valuable female inputs and we love our females ;) , the guys perk up, tuck in their shirts and straighten out their ties anytime a new female enters the forum. I guess I was taking a wait and see attitude :D Once again, welcome to Thunders and thank-you for gracing the boards with your presence… I think you will find that we are a good bunch of guys and will help you understand the male psyche too! :D