2 months. No gains.

Okay first off, I know there are other posts similar to this, but I figure each guy’s path is a bit different so I’m hoping I can get some advice here based on my personal situation. I have basically hit what is a plateau for the past 8 weeks and counting, and I don’t know what I should do next. My routine has been more or less the following:

5 min. Warm up
10x stretch 10 seconds each, all directions
100x wet jelqs
5x A-stretch (or assisted A)
25x jelq and hold
~30 minutes ballooning/edging
5 warm down

My situation is that I have been PEing since October ‘06, but quit in January ‘07 and returned since December. In the initial period I gained about an inch in length, and improved erections (up until then I was basically an ED sufferer, which got me interested in PE in the first place). I lost a little length on my hiatus but quickly gained it back. I am now about 6.75 BPEL (slightly longer with upward curve consideration) and 4.6 EG and have been sitting there since January.

I’ve slowly phased in more girth work as suggested by others in a previous post, since it is lagging “ratio-wise” and perhaps even holding back length gains. Also I’ve heard that girth takes much longer so I should get started early. I don’t exactly subscribe to the rubber band analogy (thicker rubber bands are harder to stretch yes, but can’t they ultimately stretch more? My girth is lagging so much I feel like this rubber band might “snap” if I try to push it any further. This is another forum post however.). I’ve also phased in the tunica work based on the assumption that my newbie gains are exhausted and I should focus more on real gains, but so far all it has done is made my erection angle much higher, nearly 45 degrees.

The last thing I’ve changed up until this point is my 1 on 1 off schedule to 2 days on 1 day off. I made the switch two weeks ago and I seem to be handling the busier schedule without killing my dick. Any suggestions on how I should approach this though? Am I doing something wrong? I’ve got several other options I might try for a month each (increase length of routine, increase intensity with more advanced exercises like ADS or Uli’s, mem’s routine, decon for a while, etc) but I’d prefer not to guess and check with this and instead develop a method to the madness. Good god, now I know why plateaus drive people crazy!

One more thing.. My BPFSL sucks hard, nearly an inch shorter than my BPEL, especially in the upward direction I’m secretly hoping Iguana’s “secret to gaining” post will shed some light on this.

Lighten up the grip.
Can the “A” stretches for now they can be added in later. I lost EQ doing them.
Doing length and girth at the same time may be halting all gains.
Try doing tunica work for two months for Uli’s Squeezes for girth.
For two months work on length only with erection levels below 70%.
Jelq up not down.
Are you taking proper rest breaks? With a big project like yours perhaps you should only do it 3 days per week.
This seems like a pretty big project you got going on.

How is your EQ level is the ED problem fixed?

I haven’t heard you mention how you are doing with your PIs overall: Physiologic Indicators (PIs) to help growth!

As SparkyX says there, "Of all the PIs, size gain or loss is the bottom line!"

Are you primarily looking for girth gains now?

You do have a world of options for change. The only way you will know whether you are on the right track is by your PIs and your gains. Make ONE change at a time, and evaluate the results.

For a advanced program like the on you are doing you should be taking at least 15 minutes to warm up and warm down.

Kingpole,
I will consider canning the A-stretch but you said to do tunica work.. What else is there besides that and inverted v-stretches? They seem to be pretty similar in my opinion. As I mentioned I originally did 1 on 1 off giving me about 3-4 days/week PE, and only increased workouts 2 weeks ago in an effort to break my plateau. I haven’t considered a total penis workout halting everything.. Thanks for the tip! My EQ level has improved, but it’s not 10/10. I get morning wood but they are weak erections. I can still masturbate to a 10/10 though.

Lampwick,
Unfortunately when I first read that post I was already in the middle of my plateau so I couldn’t tell what was the ultimate PI for me. The first time I got to a 6.8” I thought my aching balls were the indicator of that, but I quickly realized that the measurement was probably a discrepancy and that I sit around 6.75-6.8 anyways, depending on how much I feel like cheating that day. The program I am on right now gives me a good flaccid hang after working out and the next day, no turtling, and again the slight morning wood, but that’s about it. More positives than negatives I would say, but no gain or loss either. It’s been a while since I recall the newbie days but I seem to remember having slightly harder morning woods that surprised me since they never occurred in the ED days. I’ve been testing one thing at a time, but the issue is that I’m basically guessing at what I should try next, not really being able to evaluate exactly HOW I should change, only that I know I need to because I’m not progressing. But maybe 3 weeks or so is not enough time to figure out whether a change worked.. What do you suggest as a good time frame to test each change? Also, I need girth gains the most since I am low average, but I was prescribed to the “length first” theory which I am now questioning. So I guess my answer would be I’m looking for gains, period! Please let me know what you think.

If the “A” stretches are not causing the poor EQ then continue. But for me I got diminished EQ using them. So I stopped. It was rather fun wrapping my dick around my wrist.
Did you say your BPFSL was quite a bit shorter than your BPEL?

Yes, my BPFSL is about .5” shorter than my BPEL. I was hoping the TGC theory would shed light on this but it doesn’t seem to directly address that issue. My only guess is that my girth is significantly lagging behind my length and with less than 4” flaccid girth it’s nearly physically impossible to stretch to 6.75” or more. I am going to focus on girth now.. Wish me luck.

I understand where you are coming from. I too am working on girth and need it very bad. Been jelqing on a regular workout plan for months but still no gains…And I do mean, no gains! I have only been getting harder erections, which is a positive result, but I would like to gain some girth. Some people say clamping and pumping may be worth looking into, but I’m just way to freaked out by those methods. I’ll keep working on the jelqs for now in hopes that I will gain something in the future once I change my diet and exercise more.

4thewind,

You are in the same unenviable position alot of us are in. I gained about an inch in length when I first started(took about 7 months.) Got 1/4” in girth thru clamping(about 5 months.)

It’s now been well over a year since I’ve sniffed a gain(went into semi-retirement for awhile.) Most people will recommend jelqing for girth and length. I don’t think I’ve ever gained any true size through jelqing; although I do KNOW that it increased erection “hardness,” which in turn helped my erect size(and yes I’ve experimented w/ low intensity all the way up to marathon sessions, low erection, high erection, soft grip, death choke, Trekkie V’s and peace signs.)

I don’t have any real help other than a nice commiseration:)

Johnny9-

."W/ low intensity all the way up to.death choke, Trekkie V’s and peace signs..

HA HA HA HA HA!! Thanks for the laff!

Yeah, it is pretty amusing when you think about how much effort we put into adding an inch or three to a body part. The way I see it is like school: I will spend the next 4-5 years with this, get my degree in huge dickology and then spend the rest of my life enjoying it. Of course I would stress the education thing a bit more than PE, but the analogy is the same. But I digress..

So I started a girth workout:
10 min warm up
100 wet jelqs
5 min fowfers
5 Uli’s
10 min warm down

Possibly adding in the mornings:
5 min warm up
5 30-second stretches all directions
5 min warm down

But the thing is.. Today I jacked it and my dick got so hard that at one point my glans got sore with how much blood pressure was building up inside, like it was going to explode! Applying the TGC theory again, would that mean these girth exercises are simply expanding my smooth muscle inside the tough “tire” tunica shell? Maybe it’s back to the drawing board time.