If PE really works, why is there no scientific evidence

In the past, that was my argument exactly…but I’m not so sure. Science might help refine a few points: workout duration, load, frequency; heating temps, times; stretching tension, times, etc. But there aren’t so many variables that “Science” would be required to maximize the realization of potential thereof.

We’re either just squeezing or stretching our dicks. I believe that genetics play the greatest role in determining results. I don’t think if matters if Johns Hopkins or Harvard Med gets involved.

I don’t know Wad. You MAY be over-simplying things. Saying we just squeeze and pull is like saying we just push/pull with our muscles in the gym. Sure, that’s what we’re doing, but as I’m sure you know, so much more goes into it then just that. I will agree with you on the skepticism of how important science is. With the vast amount of theories on here, not very many stand the test of time. And the one’s that do, we just have to damn reason why lol.

It is suppressed just like Aether Physics.

I thought the occult suppresses itself.

I think individual differences are large with PE (i.e., which exercises and volumes of those exercises men will respond to, and in what way), which would make scientific study a rather large endeavor, at least until genetic variations related to penises are understood. Just based on experience and observation on this forum, I think that individual differences are much more significant with PE than with weightlifting/bodybuilding, where roughly the same sorts of programs will work for most guys, with differences coming into play mainly when one starts to reach elite levels.

Not to nitpick, but in the gym our muscles never “push”, they only pull (all physical movement is the result of various muscles contracting). Even in movements where our body is pushing (i.e., bench press), its actually the result of muscles contracting (pecs, anterior delts, triceps), etc.

para, I agree with your statement about individual differences being greater with PE than gym work. We’ve had enough debate about gains potential, but I think we’d agree that a 2.00” EL / 1” EG gain is quite significant. Yet, compared to gym work, that’s relatively little mass. In other words, just about any gym rat could realize such gains on any muscle; yet, in PE those gains are rare.

But there’s so many different exercises one can do in a gym to eek out gains (for biceps alone I can think of at least 1/2 dozen quickly), yet how many with PE? Length you have stretching (& perhaps dual fulcrum, also), ADS, hanging…? Girth: jelqs, squeezes, 440s, wearing a clamp…pumping?

You could offer 50,000 guys the exact same free internet PE routine, yet the gains will vary wildly…maybe from 0.00 x 0.00 to 2.500+ x 2.000 (I gained 1/2” EG during my 1st 5 wks from such a generic routine).

From my perspective, I think PE gains are heavily dependent upon one’s individual F:E ratio (which can determine one’s potential for total EtP transfer).

Don’t see how “Science” could do much to alter that.

I found really funny when people come up with questions like that!!
Is like asking “if there is a God why are we are suffering?”

The best why to get zero gain in P.E is to raise question like this. FDA only approved or accept treatments or medication that has side effect on it; so that they can threat the firms to pay million of dollars or otherwise they ban the drug.

When is side effect free they consider supplements and must be marketed that is not intend to cure or treat any disease.. So why do you think they approved surgery as the only method to enlarge the penis?

Wake up!

Because this is a potential multibillion dollors-industy. Why would doctors acknowledge something that can be achieved for free when there’s a LOOOOT of money that can be made.

I think a small fraction of people who try PE will make measureable gains from it, but the potential of PE is nowhere near what one would think after reading many of the posts here. People can make whatever excuse they want about no monetary gain, but at the end of the day there would exist legitimate before and after pictures of someone who had gained several inches (legitimate, being the operative word) if it worked so well. In all my time spent here, I’ve never seen such pictures. We do have pictures showing marginal gains, but nothing on the magnitude of 2 inches or more and yet we have dozens (if not hundreds) of members claiming such gains.

I think these are legitimate
2-inch Growth Comparative Pictures

there are a few others, I think. But I agree that 2" gains are pretty rare. Most of people who gain 1" tends to become less interested in more gains, by what I can see.

And Aether Physics is the missing piece to the puzzle of optimizing PE. Damn!

Aether physics is the foundation of Advanced PE Theory: Binary Fission

I don’t have trouble looking at the pics and seeing 2 inches gain, but neither has a ruler in it so we can’t say for sure.

I’m still not convinced that bennet8’s gains are the great triumph for manual PE they are often touted as. I’m not convinced that his problems weren’t more to do with an overly tight circumcision, that he corrected this by continual stretching of the skin, thus allowing more of his penis to be pulled out of his body (a similr but far more dramtic effect than lig stretching). If you read his routine it seems very strange that he’d have gained 3/4” in girth. But if he already had that girth, but it was trapped because of lack of shaft skin, then it makes sense that by correcting his skin issue’s, that when his penis extended out of the body, his girth would increase. I bet if you measure his circ line now, it would be 4.75” in girth, which was what he was before PE. Yet at that time his circ lne was pretty much where his shaft skin ended.

Some may argue his gains could have been because the ligs were restricting his penis, but I don’t think so. Lig stretching may have had a small effect on his flaccid penis, but to me it appears his restricting issue’s were the shaft skin and in terms of the PE we advocate here, this wouldn’t constitute a success story. Or rather it is a very individual success story and relevant to guys with this particualr problem, but isn’t that relevant to the average guy trying to gain via the methods used by members here. Basically if you have a specific restriction that is somehow obstructing your penis from extending as it should and you fix this, it is different to a guy with no abnormality, but still makes his penis bigger through manual PE.

I was alway very sceptical about the PE efficacy but there seems to be more and more proof.
Read this compilation of scientific or at last para-scientific studies and be aware that it is a promotional compilation, that the Andro-Penis is just a example of some ADS (imo not the optimal one…noose and visible when wearing normal trousers) AND that the use of the Andro-Penis just shows that the PRINCIPLE of stretching seems to work:

http://www.marq uezetelecom.com … ish-Spanish.pdf