Jelqing vs Angion Method

Jimmy, he might be right, he might be wrong, he might be somewhere in-between.

It is amazing what people can learn and practice without ever spending a dollar at a university.

You are right, it’s complex stuff, but it doesn’t take a university or a degree to learn everything.

I will most likely be concluding my AM only run on day 45, 12 days from now and get back into jelqing and my extender. I’m not seeing any gains from the AM, but I hope that it works for others. Maybe it could work for me, I am not testing all of the variables. Don’t want to at this time, such as the recommended diet, not for me!

Data and time will present itself on this one, I don’t really need to make any predictions.

My hope is big gains for all, however it is that they get there!

Hey who really cares why any of this works. If it works great.

As for the diet thing, well let’s just say he likes diets that are not anti inflamatory;like somehow inflamation in the body is a good thing. It is not. Your best diet is a nice healthy one full of all kinds of anti inflamatory veggies and stuff because they are potent anti oxidants and therefore anti carcinogenic. Cancer just loves to grow in inflamation.

How does the body know when to make new vessels? It’s magic! Okay just kidding.

As you exercise your bicep you put stress on the striated muscle it is composed of. Now the cell can only get a bit larger; it has limits. Just think as your bicep grows it just doesn’t get to be one big huge cell. It need to replicate. You see cells are union workers. They’re only going to do so much. You want more done you got to call in more guys,or in this case make some more cells.
As the cells get ready for division and replication a signal is sent to the blood vessel which have receptors just for that type of signal. Hey we’re going to have a few extra workers join us because this asshole keeps lifting weights and stressing out to the max. The union vessels, not wanting to skip a payday, send back a signal to the tissue; okay we’re coming so start doing what you’re doing and we’ll be right there.
basically that how it goes. I made it a cute story didn’t I?

Alright, unions and comparing vascular tissue to muscle tissue, this thing has gone off the rails. What were we debating at first, which was more effective between jelqs and peristaltic penis pumping? Now my muscles want a cigarette break. “Hey it’s in our contract, you want I should call my union?”

I have been doing AM since the day it arrived. Im also in the camp of people who will probably never jelq again.

Through all the jelqing I did, I looked the other way on blood vessel health. When AM arrived, it solidified my belief that PE should be all about enhancing blood flow and erection quality, first priority, not an afterthought.

My erections are 12/10. My girlfriend is complaining. Grin. I never thought my cock would be this way. So persistent and full… Even if I don’t gain another mm I’d be content with this supercock that AM is giving me. Though I strongly believe that gains are inevitable with this method.

I have a hunch though that gains will not be as visually desired

I’m not ruling out conventional PE, especially stretching.. but anything that messes with this amazing blood flow direction is right out.

That’s a super healthy perspective.

Very cute.

Here is a study abstract you should look at:

Exposing a vein to altered hemodynamics by creating an arteriovenous (AV) shunt evokes considerable vessel formation that may be of therapeutic potential. However, it is unclear whether the introduction of oscillatory flow and/or flow increase is decisive. To distinguish between these mechanical stimuli we grafted a femoral vein into the arterial flow pathway of the contralateral limb in rats creating an arterioarterial (AA) loop (n = 7). Alternatively, we connected the femoral artery and vein using the vein graft, whereby we created an AV-loop (n = 27). Vessel loops were embedded in a fibrin filled chamber and blood flow was measured by means of flow probes immediately after surgery (day 0) and 15 days after loop creation. On day 15, animals were sacrificed and angiogenesis was evaluated using μCT and histological analysis. Mean flow increased from 0.5 to 2.4 mL/min and was elevated throughout the cardiac cycle at day 0 in AV-loops whereas, as expected, it remained unchanged in AA-loops. Flow in AV-loops decreased with time, and was at day 15 not different from untreated femoral vessels or AA-loop grafts. Pulsatile flow oscillations were similar in AV-and AA-loops at day 0. The flow amplitude amounted to ~1.3 mL/min which was comparable to values in untreated arteries. Flow amplitude remained constant in AA-loops, whereas it decreased in AV-loops (day 15: 0.4 mL/min). A large number of newly formed vessels were present in AV-loops at day 15 arising from the grafted vein. In marked contrast, angiogenesis originating from the grafted vein was absent in AA-loops. We conclude that exposure to substantially increased flow is required to initiate angiogenesis in grafted veins, whereas selective enhancement of pulsatile flow is unable to do so. This suggests that indeed flow and most likely wall shear stress is decisive to initiate formation of vessels in this hemodynamically driven angiogenesis model.

Basically flow ended up dropping due to the formation of new vessels in the AV loop, if I’m reading it correctly. Seems like those vessels are like “This is way more flow than my contract calls for, lets get some help”.

But yeah, Raybabby is right, kind of derailed.

1. Jelqinq is an effective and proven form of PE exercise , the same cannot be said about The Angion Method as it is relatively new.
-True, and I think any newbie should go with the newbie routine until all of us guinea pigs report back after ~6 months.

2. Both these exercises promote blood flow to the penis but jelqing also works on the soft tissues of the corpus cavernosum thus increasing size. The Angion Method does the same thing but the its ability to increase length or girth is still a matter of debate.
-I don’t think the original idea of jelqing was to increase blood flow, but rather to stretch the tissues. If AM is correct, most size may be due to the pumping action rather than the stretch. It would be interesting to see if a newbie would get any gains with AM, or if the pre-stretch of other PE exercises creates a base for the blood vessel formation. Janus was not a PE newbie before he started, so it will be interesting to see.

3. As for EQ , AM is observed to be more effective.
-Jelqing never helped me with EQ, AM does a bit, but I rely far too much on kegaling for an erection, trying to correct that.

4. Safety - The AM method is safer than Jelqing
-It is safer than going overboard with jelqing, but I think pushing in too hard could be unsafe in AM. They are both extremely safe workouts if done correctly.

We conclude that exposure to substantially increased flow is required to initiate angiogenesis in grafted veins, whereas selective enhancement of pulsatile flow is unable to do so. This suggests that indeed flow and most likely wall shear stress is decisive to initiate formation of vessels in this hemodynamically driven angiogenesis model.

Now why would a vein or artery have increased blood flow? Forgetting this experiment do you really think the 20 minutes or so a day you do this method compares to the 1440 minutes in a day? As the tissue calls for more blood the flow increases but only up to the extent the vessel can allow. Since more blood is needed for the tissue needs the process of making new vessels start.

By the way do you what pulsatile flow is?

Yes, I know what pulsatile flow is. I am an engineer. Though, I am not a biologist.

It is hard to say how much 20 minutes a day compares to 1440 as we don’t really know the extent of vessel formation. It was called significant after 15 days, that is all we really know. With the way the body works, I would think it’d be quite possible a short period of stress would be sufficient, but that hasn’t been proven in blood vessel formation. Nothing about the AM method has been proven, but when I started PE, none of that had been proven either, and very little has so far. So, I come with a healthy skepticism, but I like the theory, I like the safety, and I like that it is really helping with ED for a lot of people (even if it is a placebo effect or the fact that people are basically edging for 30 minutes every day).

I get what you’re saying with the normal process of angiogenesis, and why more blood flow is needed. I too am skeptical that increased blood flow would cause growth of the tissue, as it is normally the other way around. I’m more of the thinking that the blood vessels can get larger, new ones can grow, allowing more blood into the penis, and stretching the rest of it over a period of time. Perhaps some of the stress of the stretching can cause growth as is known not only in PE but throughout the rest of the body, but I doubt that it is a direct product of bigger/more vessels/blood flow besides the small amount of physical space they take up.

It is the pressure placed on the tissue surrounding the engorged vessel that, in simple terms, stresses the tissue so that it needs help ( more cells) to compensate for the increased stress. That’s how all these methods work and it makes no difference which way you constrict the blood flow. That oh I have to protect my valves is dumb.

I think for length and even girth Jelqing wipes the floor with AM, however the AM is actually comfortable to use whereas Jelqing feels a bit uncomfortable for me personally a weird pressure sort of feeling, and of course the AM gives a great EQ boost.

All in all I think they can be used together in a routine although Janus disagrees, jelq/stretch for growth and use the AM for increased EQ and general penis health?

This current moment in time they both serve a purpose for me and I use both.

So plenty of time has passed now?

How many of guys have reported bigger penis? And how many better erections?

What is current consensus?

I have been doing the Angion Method for about a week, and I must say I have a decent bit more of flaccid hang. I have always been a grower, so this is a very welcome change. I’m going to keep trying it out and see if I get any gains in a month. I am new to the PE thing and starting at 7.5” BPEL and 6” EG, so hopefully I can share some noob perspective soon. Another thing to note, for me at least, I love the feeling of the blood flow. When you really get into the groove, it gets intense. I can feel my hands pumping blood through my member with each rep and it’s addictive. Even if I don’t gain any size from this, it will replace masturbation.