No gains, low LOT. advice please

Sorry to drain your collective brains but it’s time I asked all the questions that have been building in my mind recently, born out of the frustration of working hard at PE with no gains to show for it.
So from what I understand (and please correct or back me up if I’m right or wrong about any of this), having a LOT of about 7 o’clock to start with means I’m not in for any quick lengh gains (my primary aim). I’ve been PEing for about 2 months mainly with downward manual stretches (half an hour to an hour a day) in the rough direction of my LOT.. I now understand that this is the worst possible angle to stretch at.. Right? My erection angle is high-ish, at about 10 o’clock.. Does this have a bearing on things? Do I have any potential for lig gains or must I now concentrate purely on my tunica? I read that it is possible increase your LOT thus increasing the potential for quick lig gains, but how would I do this? Given this info about the state of my LOT and erection angle can anyone suggest the best stretches to concentrate on? Would an A-stretch be better for example?
Moving on, I’ve been tempted to try hanging recently but how does one hang at an angle other than straight down assuming gravity is what is exerting the force on my penis? I have an ADS device.. Any tips on the best angle for using that at? My penis seems very strong and I have to exert huge force on it to feel any kind of stretch to the point that my arm and grip wears out in about 30 secs..

Once again, sorry to bombard with questions but I really wanna get to grips with a routine that suits me and I have a feeling that I need some experienced specific advice (especially given my penis’s apparent desire not to grow if it can possibly help it)!

Finally, a random thought about surgery.. Is there any info about the effectiveness of surgery in a person with low LOT? Do you think that could be a factor?

Thank you guys so much in advance.. Without you I’d be languishing in the depths of fantasy rather than getting off my arse and doing something constructive about my desire to increase my piece.. ;)

While it seems you’ve been working hard, two months may not be enough time to show gains. True, many show gains in the first month, but they are the ones who follow the Newbie Routine of jelqing and stretching. Are you jelqing? Stretches alone, IMO, are not enough.

Some believe the LOT theory is Gospel, others, such as myself, think it’s an interesting idea but not of much practical value. So many guys bemoan their fate when their LOT number is low. The set themselves up for failure by self-fulfilling prophesy. Ignore LOT. Stretch in all directions. Jelq. Perhaps use a vacuum pump. Try something other than one-directional manual stretches before you give up.

In my opinion, no.

The LOT number is a predictor according to the theory. Some say their number changes with gains. So to change it you’d have to show gains and you haven’t achieved any with your current routine. If you still think the number is important, you’ll have to use another method to affect gains and change the LOT number. My advice - ignore LOT and do the Newbie Routine for two months and see if something changes.

Realize the some people are ‘hard gainers” and cannot change their penile length even with extreme measures. I hope not, but you may be one of them. Try something different for a while before you give up.

Save hanging for a later time. Visit the Hanger’s Forum for info on SO (straight out) and OTS (over the shoulder) hanging. (Read for the information, wait to try it until you’ve done some jelqing and manual stretches in other directions.)

An ADS device is meant to put gentle, yet prolonged, traction on the penis. You should not have to strong-arm it into working. Most of those things (such as the Penimaster) have only one angle in which they work: down. This is due to gravity and the rigid nature of the device. It’s difficult to keep it up or to the side without causing undue attention to oneself.

That’s why you have this world-wide group of friends who want to help. :) Are you using any kind of heat before your exercises? Can’t hurt and probably helps. Are you taking days off to let things heal? You should.

Surgery, IMO, is a last resort for the truly desperate. Your current length and girth are on the upper end of average, if not the low end of large (I know it doesn’t look like it, but the numbers tell the tale.) Surgery is a very serious last step in the list of penis enlargement methods. I’d try everything else before even asking questions. However, I will say that most, if not all, of the surgeons who do that procedure would have no idea what LOT is and if it was explained to them would probably find it useless in regard to a successful surgical outcome.

We’re here to help. Let us know how things go.

Slammin

Read this and take a look at the simulator. WestLA’s words are very wise and the product of many years of experience.

LOT IMO is not a reliable predictor of gains. I agree with WestLA that your best chances for success are with a tried-and-true, well rounded routine, that includes stretching at different angles and jelqing. Do not overlook jelqing. Also, practice your kegels. They will help make your jelqing more effective and may provide other benefits.

Westla90069.. I was hoping that someone with your credentials would see fit to slap me into shape! I did jelq at first but having read that it’s harder to gain lengh once you’ve gained girth I decided to minimise the amount of jelqing I do.. Although I still do about 10mins a day. Also, and forgive my incredible ignorance, whats IMO?

I have a pump, but I was under the impresion that it’s mainly for girth not lengh.. No? I will continue to stretch in every direction and increase my upward and sideways stretches.. I will also use my ADS whenever possible. I know I’ve only been going at it hard for 2 months but I’ve been toying around with PE on and off for a while.. Probabaly a year with no sucess.. Alothough I’m aware that I need to be consistent and unfaltering with my work. I do need to use heat before I PE but so far a hot wrap seems to cool too quickly and I probably need to get a light.. I do take days off slightly randomly as and when I am forced to.. And thats about once every 4 days. I will attempt to disregard LOT theory.. Are there any examples of gains that go sharply against the theory? As for surgery, have no fear, I have neither the time or inclination to do that in the near future.. It was just a random thought that had been bugging me..

Thanks you so much for taking the time to write to me, I can’t tell you how much it means to know that you guys are looking out for us newbies.

IMO=in my opinion.