planning self injections of hyaluronic acid

hello everyone

I’m preparing for a new experiment on my penis, I intend to try to do self-injections of hyaluronic acid under the skin of the penis, the so-called P shots for the circumference, now I don’t intend to start tomorrow, I’ll probably start in about 2 months to do it because I have other things to solve at the moment.

I opened this discussion to try to gather as much information as possible on this practice, I mean technical and practical information, not information on possible side effects etc…, also because I have already undergone this procedure but by a doctor and I paid 2500 euros for only 15cl in the shaft and 5cl in the glans, a very high sum for so little product, but these are the prices, if I manage to give myself these injections I could spend even less than half.
here on thunder I read all the posts by hyaluronic matt and another user, Xavilqar2, who practiced their injections on their own, they were very successful in their journey even if perhaps the user going too far to self-inject PMMA (I would never do that); in any case these two users never revealed in detail the injection technique they used, what type of hyaluronic acid they had used exactly etc…
so I open this discussion to look for detailed information on how to carry out self-injections of hyaluronic acid, come on guys, I don’t think that only 2 users on Thunder have tried these procedures, I know that there are others who do it, come out guys😂.
Jokes aside, I would really like to open a constructive discussion on this topic, advice and opinions from both those with direct experience and those without experience are welcome, any opinion is a treasure for me.

Hyaluronic acid (HA) is often used as a filler. The P-shot is different; it concentrates and re-injects your own blood cells.

There’s not much about HA injections here on Thunder’s. There’s a fairly recent thread on DIY HA in the "Penis Enlargement" subforum at LPSG, and many threads in the "Saline Inflation" subforum at Newart. You might want to go through those if you haven’t found them already.

Phalloboards has a lot of discussion of fillers, but they’re not into DIY stuff. You might pick up some useful information there, though.

I don’t have any personal experience to offer, but from what I’ve gathered browsing through the threads on other forums:

1) Take your temperature every day for at least a week before injecting. Even in a clinic there’s the chance of infection. A couple of guys on Newart got infections that weren’t obvious at first and progressed until they wound up in hospital. Take your temperature two or three times a day for a few days after injecting to make sure nothing nasty rode along with the needle. Keep an eye out for unusual redness or dark spots. If there’s a problem you can deal with them while they’re still small.

2) Don’t get complacent about sterilization. It’s easy to start cutting corners when nothing happened the first few times.

3) Start small; just a bit in some spot to see how the filler disperses. Then add more over successive days. You’re not trying to cram everything into one office visit.

4) There are two kinds of hyaluronic acid; regular and cross-linked. The regular can be used, but the cross-linked stuff is supposed to last a lot longer.

I was doing a little poking around on the web and found an account from one guy who had HA filler done at a clinic. He said the doc gave him a single injection a few days before the main event, to see if there might be an allergic reaction.

Some more poking around returned that the HA that’s used as filler has no preservatives. However, there are other medical uses, as well as skin-care products, where some vendors mix preservatives in. Apparently HA has a shelf life of about three years.

So you’ll want to ask if there are any preservatives in what you’re planning to buy, and if so, what they are, so you can look them up. Ideally, the quantity of preservatives included, though a vendor might not know that. You also want to know how close it is to the expiration date, and it would be a good idea to go a small skin-pop injection a few days before, just to make sure it will be OK.

Hi Andyj
first of all, thank you very much for the information you were able to provide me, you really provided me with everything I needed, especially with newart, I registered on that forum and found everything and more, I thought I was crazy for wanting to inject myself with acid hyaluronic alone, instead on that forum I found dozens and dozens of posts of people who inject everything, even many inject SURGILUBE, from what I’ve read (a medical lubricating gel, I think it’s the same gel that is used to insert a catheter in the penis), I read about people who infuse liters of saline solutions into their scrotum until it swells like a balloon, fortunately I also found some slightly more sober posts on the use of hyaluronic acid, I found a post from a user who purchased a syringe of cross-linked hyaluronic acid, a pre-filled syringe with 20ml of gel, the acid in question is SKINJECT 20,the user reports having purchased it on Alibaba for 160 usd, from what I understand that hyaluronic acid gel costs so little because it is denser and again from what I read on the web a filler like SKINJECT 20 would be more suitable for parts of the body such as calves, arms and buttocks, the user I am talking about instead injected that gel under the skin of the penis, but not all at once, he did about 4-5 ml per week, he reported no side effects, no redness, no infection, no tissue necrosis and no blood circulation problems in the penis despite the density of the gel, the only problem that can be seen from his photos and ‘that by using a body gel (therefore denser) you have to make more adjustments in the following days because irregular areas form, but overall he managed to obtain a more than satisfactory final result, considering that he paid for it 20 ml of gel only 160 USD; Before reading this user’s post on Newart, I had thought about purchasing for my filling a cross-linked hyaluronic acid filler called ELASTY GROOT, ideal for giving a volumizing effect to facial wrinkles, lip folds, etc., in short, a volumizing filler for the face that would cost me 75 euros for 2ml, so 20 ml would cost me 750 , so it would most likely be a more liquid gel than a body filler, but after reading that post, I’m also considering using a body filler as I would really save a lot of money, I was thinking of a filler like JALOR 10 Body Contouring, hyaluronic acid filler ideal for volumizing calves, buttocks and for reshaping body volumes, this would cost me 100 euros for 10ml, so 20ml would cost me 200 euros, and as regards the duration of the filler, dense fillers last even longer than the more liquid ones for the face, so it would be a further advantage.

As regards the technique, in reality there are two main ones, the first and most used is the one with a cannula needle inserted at the base of the penis and then moved inside the penis under the skin to fill the areas from a single access point, or at most they make two holes, one on the right and one on the left, then insert the cannula first from one side, do the filling, then from the other side.
The second technique consists in carrying out many small injections under the skin in a homogeneous manner along the entire penis until the desired shape is reached. With the second technique there could be a little more bleeding considering the number of punctures along the penis. I think I will opt ’ for the second technique.
Whatever technique is used it is important not to fill the ventral part of the penis, only the upper part and sides of the penis.
Obviously before starting I will use a lidocaine cream to anesthetize the skin of the penis.
Thank you again Andyj, without you I would never have found all this detailed information, also thanks for your advice, especially point 1 that you mentioned, I think I will use an antibiotic for a few days after the injections and I will check often the temperature.

Obviously I will look for further information because I will start my procedures in a few months and I have plenty of time to prepare meticulously, in the meantime Andyj what do you think about the products to use for filling, something like JALOR 10 or some other body filler could be suitable? I ask you because the user on Newart really used SKINJECT, a single syringe of 20ml of gel, he also posted photos of the product, and it is an ideal gel for the body, but he reports no side effects, in fact from the photos he posted you can also see the veins above his penis, so it means that despite the type of filler he used the penis became vascularised, perhaps these body fillers are not much denser than those for the face? but then why do they cost so little? I can’t find an answer to these questions, what do you think?

Pricing on anything to do with medical equipment, medications, etc. has only a passing connection with reality-as-we-know-it. And even then the difference between "list price" and "street price" might be a thousand percent.

As far as "no side effects" and vascularization… you have to remember that the guys on Newart are primarily interested in "body modification" and not "enlargement." You could be seeing the results of some other thing they did earlier, maybe years ago.

Also, their ideas of acceptable risk are much looser than those of most people; despite the experienced infusers warning regularly about danger from Surgilube, K-Y, etc., some of them still do it. Of course, some of them *intend* to cause damage, as a step toward their eventual goal, which might be castration.

I found Newart to be very helpful when I was dealing with penile scars, urethral strictures, and meatal deformity. Most of the guys are nice and very helpful, but you have to keep in mind that they may have much different goals than you do.

You might find it worthwhile to start with the oldest posts in the infusion subforum and work backwards from there. That’s what I do. It might take you a few days or a week or two of spare time cherry-picking likely-looking threads, but you can see the progress of individuals and group concensus over time.

the user from whom I took inspiration is one of the most sober that I have noticed so far on the newart forum, a man who has decided to increase his girth with hyaluronic acid in a not exaggerated way, in fact he has also posted photos of himself erect and photo during his sexual intercourse with his wife, so I believe he is an individual who pays attention to his fertility and the correct functioning of his penis as he has a wife, however I would never use Surgilube for my penis, this is safe and sincere I wouldn’t even use skinject 20, but jalor 10 I would give it a chance as it’s the same brand that a doctor used on me the first time, except that the filler the doctor used was for the face, I should use that instead for the body. In any case I will follow your advice, read newart’s posts starting from the oldest and see what I find.

The doctor used Jalor 10 on your face or on your shaft?

Please don’t do it.

There is a lot of anatomy that might not know about. What if you put it inside a blood vessel ( clog it )and cause thrombosis to your penis?, what if you hit a nerve?, what if you get an infection?, what if you buy a fake product that is not safe without knowing?. There is so much potential for a disaster in the prospect of this that I just think is not worth the risk.

Check for “Non-Surgical Nose Job Nightmare: Melissa Lost Half Her Nose | Botched | E!” on YouTube.

no, the doctor who injected me with hyaluronic acid about 1 year ago used JALOR intense

There’s a thread called "I just injected 20cc of HA" on Phalloboards that has some information about DIY fills.

Did your doc inject you flaccid or erect? I’ve seen pictures of it done both ways. Some docs apparently use Trimix (sildenafil would probably do) to force an erection so they can maneuver the cannula more easily, and it’s easier to massage the fill into the desired shape.

There are at least two compounds that can be injected that will dissolve HA. That’s apparently only done in cases where the filler won’t cooperate and looks unsightly.

It looks like the angles can be awkard for manipulating the cannula and pressing the plunger evenly. You might tape a banana to the side of your shaft to practice a bit. You can probably find something about the same viscosity as the filler so the plunger takes the same effort.

It would probably be a lot simpler if you had a helper to handle the cannula and syringe. But that would be an awkward conversation to have with a friend. "Hey buddy, do you have anything planned for Friday night? Would you mine lending a hand?"

I don’t know guys, in reality it seems much simpler than it seems, watch some of Dr Jason Emer’s videos on YouTube so you get an idea.

in any case I won’t do things in a hurry, I’m testing the territory and I’m getting a lot of information, I still have more than a month ahead of me before taking the definitive step.

I’m sorry Andy, I only saw this message now, I spent 3/4 whole days searching the web for information about self-injections of HA into the penis, I think I found everything I needed, I also used the Tor Browser, from there I I found many forums and web pages that illustrate these procedures, I also found a post that explains step by step how to carry out the procedure and the various techniques designed specifically for an area such as the penis, it seems that the cannula technique is the least risky and the most precise. Furthermore, this morning I contacted via WhatsApp two Italian doctors who practice this procedure, I asked them for information on the price and the product they used, the first doctor asked me 3000 euros for 20cc and did not specify the product, he only said that it was the "FIDIA" brand, the second doctor asked me 2000 euros again for 20cc and guess what, he told me that he uses GENYAL 200, I inquired on the web and here we are, I read that Genyal 200 is indicated for body counturing, just like Jalor 10, the technical information of Genyal 200 and Jalor 10 are almost identical, so now I’m sure that I could use a HA body counturing filler on the penis.
As regards the technique, lidocaine cream can be used to anesthetise the skin and then I could make an entry hole with a 23/25 gouge needle and then insert the 25 day or 27 day blunt tip elastic cannula based on the density of the gel, once the cannula has been inserted all I have to do is move it under the skin of the penis like a probe and inject the gel evenly using the technique fan-shaped.
Once the filling is finished I should make a semi-compressive bandage to keep until the next day,finally, for prevention I will take antibiotics for 6 days after the filling.

the whole procedure must be done in the flaccid state, at least all the posts and information I read were done in the flaccid state, as regards the question of the assistant in my case it is out of the question, I have a friend but all this would make sense to her and she would probably lose consciousness and I might end up having to call an ambulance for her while I have a cannula in my dick, which wouldn’t be nice, but as for friends, a lot of them have families and that would sound strange: "hi friend, this evening after putting your son to sleep will you come to me to hold a syringe while I fill my penis?" Andy, tell me the truth, would you come? I don’t think so😂😂😂

That’s it. It’s similar to K-Y jelly, except sold as sterile. Some people use it as pumping or jelquing lube, but like K-Y or most "silicone" lubes, it dries out fairly rapidly.

Since you’re not paying to have it done, you can work up slowly to develop your technique and make sure the filler stays where you intend it to, or get an idea of how it might migrate and how to correct it. Flip side, that means more injections, but if you were afraid of those, you wouldn’t be considering DIY in the first place.

You don’t want the filler to press in on the urethra, which could cause difficulty in completely emptying your bladder. That can lead to kidney stones.

You’re welcome.

If you haven’t formed an opinion on the subject already, you might want to read up on how the medical industry has misused antibiotics. If you’ve seen mention of "drug resistant" infections, that’s why. A Cipro tablet or a shot of penicillin before a procedure, just as a preventative… yes, it can prevent the patient from getting an infection, which can reflect badly on the doctor’s insurance rates. But one hit instead of a full course of antibiotics simply kills off the weak ones, and the ones less susceptible to that particular antibiotic live to breed other less-susceptible bacteria, just like breeding dogs or horses.

I’ve discussed this at length with my doctor, who tends to get angry on the subject. He’s 80 years old and still practicing, and he has seen this happening over his entire working life. Fortunately we’re in agreement.

You might prefer a preventive dose anyway. Which a great many doctors also prefer. Just keep in mind that there are risks either way.

I have no idea. As you have noticed, the guys who have done DIY tend not to be overly detailed when they talk about it.

You’re using the manufacturer’s data sheets, right? Any ingredient that’s different between them, you can research its medical use and see if it makes any difference.

Not all differences are significant. Some are just marketing.

Was your first fill via multiple injections or a cannula?

A cannula is used for liposuction; vacuuming fat out of various areas. When used for that, it inevitably breaks some small blood vessels, which can cause swelling and/or bruising. There’s no fat in a penis, and I don’t think there are many veins in the gap between the skin and the tunica, but I still wonder if it might happen. Have any of the posts or articles you’ve read talked about bruising?

On the other hand, I’ve found several posts where they said the doctor forced an erection with Caverject or some similar erection aid.

That might be due to differences between working with "growers" and "showers." Trying to get an even filler dispersion on a 2" flaccid probably wouldn’t be easy.

[grin] There are a lot of times when more than two arms would be handy. Though it would probably be hard to find shirts that fit properly.

As AndyJ mentioned, the PhalloBoards is very much against DIY stuff when it comes to things that are normally performed in a Clinical setting. At a Doctor’s Office, you have an experienced injector, medical-grade Hyaluronic Acid (HA) filler acquired through credible means (and not some scuffed online vendor whose call-center isn’t in North American or Europe), in a sterile setting with all the necessary pre-op & post-op instructions to go with it. I should also note that injection technique is very much a skill — to some it may look easy in theory, but when you’ve seen the number & variety of results I’ve seen spanning over a decade+, you know the importance that expertise brings to the table.

On top of that, you have the protections of malpractice, the possibility of health insurance covering some complications (but not necessarily all since this would be an elective cosmetic procedure), and the laws of your native country as added reassurances should something go wrong at the Doctor’s Office. In your own home, you’re left to your own devices & consequences.

There is a reason why DIY (Do-It-Yourself) is a banned (or carefully moderated) topic on the PhalloBoards — more can go wrong than can go right. I see/read a lot through back channels (emails & PMs) that don’t make it onto the PhalloBoards public side, and let me tell you how many times I have to literally "shake-my-head." Honestly, unless you happen to be an injector yourself (Doctor, Nurse, etc), I wouldn’t risk exposing yourself to possible infection(s), tainted or poor quality filler, or at best, aesthetic irregularity. It’s almost like if something goes wrong, you’ll have to see a Doctor anyways, so why not start with them from the beginning and stick with it?

2500 Euros for 15cc’s is not bad at all. Given that some men find acquiring enough girth to jump condom sizes as priceless, and that we live in a world where girth can be achieved in an outpatient setting in an hour or less, I’d argue 2500 is a steal if the Doctor’s work is any good. Some guys spend 100x that to get a luxury sports car to give them the same "confidence boost effect," so all things considered I think a DIY on the basis of price-per-volume seems a bit… "cutting corners" if I can say it as respectfully as possible.

I say this respectfully but DIY medical procedures by those who are not experienced reek of desperation, budget constraints, or just a straight up cavalier/reckless attitude. I know you asked for constructive advice, but I don’t think I could have provided any better than what I wrote above. As AndyJ implied, the PhalloBoards is practically the "filler penis enlargement" forum, and as its Administrator, I can tell you that I’m speaking from a place of sincerity — and I’ll reiterate, the odds that you’ll have to see a Doctor for one reason or another after a round or two of injections makes you wonder why you didn’t just stick with the Doctor in the first place.