What is the complete Penis Enlargement routine & device regimen?

After scouring this forum, here is my current list, that I have planned, when I have enough money for everything, including my occasional choice of products.

1. Manual Jelquing/Stretching/Penis Exercises/Edging.
2. Device Jelquing (Power J Gym Jelq Device)
3. Clamping (Clamping Wires)
4. Hanging (Hanging Kit)
5. Penis Traction Extension Device (Autoextender)
6. Penis Wrapping (Stealthformen Innerwear)
7. Penis Pump (Bathmate)
8. Kegels.
9. Healthy Diet/Aerobics/Bodybuilding (Decrease Estrogen, Amplify Non-Estrogen Hormone Levels/Excellent Blood and Oxygen Flow, Being in Shape, Looking Great)
10a. (Option 1) Abstinence during Penis Exercise Weeks/Months [From Ejaculating]. Some members believe that ejaculations slow results. I’d like to know why members think that.
10b. (Option 2) Sex Training (Fleshlights) - Replace passive Hand Masturbation. Actually keeps the mentality of “fucking” so dick is readier for sex when the time for real sex comes.
11. Supplements/Pills (Prosolution Pills/Cialis/etc)
12. Gels/Creams/Lubricants (Prosolution Gel, Enlargel, Lubricants for Jelquing).
13. Shave Pubic Hair (To look bigger, for guys who have thick pubes, and aren’t large yet).

A) Am I missing anything else?
B) Do you have any suggestions of things to add?
C) Also, why do some members think that ejaculating slows down Penis Gains?
D) Are gains slowed down, even if you don’t have problems getting multiple erections?

Thanks for any feedback!

A) Seems like all your bases are covered. Pretty much everything PE-related will fall under one of those categories.
B) 10c (Option 3) Maintain a healthy sex life in conjunction with PE (sometimes I’ll get temporary gains when my girlfriends gives me head or we use a cock ring).
C) You can search for yourself or someone might post a link to it, but there’s a thread somewhere on here that broke down gains of TP members where one of the variables was frequency of masturbation. If I remember correctly, those who either ejaculated the least often or completely abstained had bigger gains at a faster rate than those who ejaculated more frequently. There are more complicated explanations, but the general idea is that ejaculation means a loss of energy and nutrients, both of which are important to gaining.
D) I’m usually a one-and-doner since I cum quite a bit (have been told by multiple partners that I’m a heavy cummer), so can’t really speak to this.

Other than that, I hope you’ve already started and aren’t waiting for validation and completion of your list. You can gain just from focusing on manual exercises and staying consistent while paying attention to your body. Everything else just makes it easier or is beneficial to overall penis health.

Hope this helps, and good luck!

Yes, I’ve already started. I admit that I paused a bit when I read about the importance of preventing turtling, by wrapping. I was a bit nervous because I am just one of those people who isn’t good at things like wrapping (any manual skill, like drawing, soldering, tieing knots, camping, building anything, etc. Just my burden in life, lol). But luckily I had come across Innerwear, which seemed to be a perfect solution to prevent the need for wrapping, after Penis Exercises. I ordered it on Sunday Night, so it will be delivered soon.

In the meantime, I’m doing my Penis Exercises/Kegels/Stretching and keeping up with my workout and diet regimen. I hope my Innerwear fits so that I don’t have to spend time ordering and waiting for a better fitting replacement. However, I don’t think that will be much of an issue, as I measured as accurately as I could, using the advised methods in their video demonstration.

That advice about the cock ring is a useful addition. As is the advice of having regular sex. I personally feel that my bodybuilding/diet/supplement regimen, all combine to me never being down on nutrients, and having high testosterone levels, even after cumming. Additionally, I’ll probably not be cumming more than once, except on days that I have sex. Still, great to understand what people’s thoughts are about why masturbation/cumming seems to prevent gains. I think I’m already doing the things necessary to prevent those reasons, as my nutrients/supplement intake/absorption is about 5-10 times higher than most healthy guys. I take fitness very seriously.

Okay, this was all very useful. If anyone else gives feedback, I’d love to hear it, but I think I’ve gotten what I wanted to find out. Thanks!

That’s quite a list of gear!

I’ve only gone far enough to get a bathmate as of now, but it seems like you’ve got all of your bases covered. My only warning with the bathmate is that unless I use it at exclusively low pressure it ruins my eq because I’m certainly using too much pressure for my anatomy. This varies from person to person but the bathmate test video shows the x30 going up to 17hg with a perfect seal at a max pump which is waaaaaay over what anyone who’s even relatively new should be going for. The lack of pressure gauge combined with the sticker on the tube that acts as a ruler when fully compressed seems to lead people wanting to pump all the way down to see their measurement go up. Okay, that’s my spiel hahah

If you just started PE on the 25th (I can’t tell if that was your start date or just your first measurement) my advice would be to run through the Newbie routine and begin to condition your unit. When you have a stockpile of armaments the temptation to over train and then try to push through the fatigue phase might be strong!

My biggest piece of advice to anyone new is to always be aware of PIs (Physiologic Indicators (PIs) to help growth!

Also being aware of force thresholds can be very useful Understanding force thresholds for growth

And finally if you’re ever wondering about whether less is more or if more is more (in terms of routine) this really helped me early on Is LESS more, or is MORE more?

I’ve not purchased all those things yet. I’ve only purchased the Innerwear. It’s being delivered soon (paid for it on Sunday, the 12/24/2017). I used to have a Penis traction device, but that was years ago, during my bad years where nothing was going right in life. I don’t have one now. To be honest, I don’t think I need one just yet. I’m pretty sure I will make more progress by jelqing/kegels/stretching techniques, and using the Innerwear I purchased. Like it says in my signature, I will buy all the other things in February or March of next year. The way I see it, if I get noticeable results, that alone will justify the purchases. Also, I plan on buying the more expensive version of the Bathmate X30, because it works without water also. I want to have the option of not using it in the shower.

I do the Newbie routine right now. I’m definitely seeing the benefits already. Better erections, and better flaccid hang. Sometimes I will notice my dick in the mirror and go "huh," and note that I really need to continue because I notice something positive. I began in late November, but I decided to buckle down on doing more research, in order to make an actual detailed, mapped-out plan because it became clear that turtling was an issue that seemed like it was going to prevent both my gains and my psyche. At first, I instinctively suspected that turtling was a real thing, not really knowing it was even a real issue, but only ran across the reality of it on this forum, by reading thoughtfulgold’s extensive writings, and coming across the term. It dawned on me that I needed to really have a routine that embraced all the necessary things needed to make real beginner’s progress.

I took thougtfulgold advice of not focusing on all the devices early on, and focusing on the actual exercises, and getting results. That being said, I also concluded that penis wrapping was something that everyone, even, and maybe especially, beginners should do to seal in results, and improve flaccid hang, and help improve BPEL and MSEG gains, without diving headlong into pumping, traction devices, hanging, clamping, and using jelqing devices. I wasn’t comfortable with my ability to wrap and read that people make mistakes in wrapping, mistakes which I was sure I would make. But then I remembered coming across that Innerwear thing and knew that that was the only purchase that I felt I had to make during this beginner’s period. I’ve also definitely taken note of those concepts of physiological indicators, and force threshold, and "less is more." I’m reading up on them to gain more knowledge, and assimilate information into my routine.

Got it, sounds like you know what you’re getting into. Just to reiterate be very cautious with any model of the bathmate. I believe even the “xtreme” series that functions without water still lacks a pressure gauge but if I’m wrong please correct me and I may investigate a future purchase ;)

Would you mind sending me some of the threads you found on wrapping in a message? I found the main article under tutorials but if you have any others this is definitely something I need to further research.

I will try to put together a list of links. It was really a few comments I read here and there, but it became clear how important (and ignored) it was to me. It was one of those things where I feel the solution (innerwear) is staring everyone in the face on the site, but because many members (in my opinion) look to save money, they kind of ignore the products that are actually very useful. I tend to go all in, once I try to do something, and money is never really an issue for me, as long as something is relatively affordable. Not saying I’m rolling in dough, but if something is a priority, then I don’t skimp on cost over quality.

BTW, I will probably buy a Bathmate, for its water pumping, and a separate pump so that I have one with a pressure gauge, if the better Bathmate model doesn’t have one. If it’s excellent though, then I’ll just use the one I purchase.

Also,

14) Personal Room Heater - Use while jelqing. Prevents the need to use a hot towel to warm penis before jelqing. (another thoughtfulgold tip) Although probably smart to use a warm towel before starting anyway. It is so freaking helpful when I jelq. That guy really has some great advice that he accumulated. If I get great results like him, hopefully, quicker, I will definitely write up a detailed guide, including all of this stuff. I feel that some things that I read seem scattershot. Still, not worrying about any of that until I get actual results. Better not to look too far ahead. Just hoping for the best.

I was actually about to suggest going slow on the devices, and/or seeking out thoughtfulgolds threads, so I’m glad you already found your way there. Don’t be afraid to make mistakes, you will learn from them, just try avoid getting injured. Good luck, keep the faith!

Thanks man. I admit, until I did my research on here, before coming across so many useful things, I was planning on immediately plunging on many devices, without even focusing on the basics first. Very glad to read his posts. Had a tremendous amount of advice. I don’t mind making mistakes, but definitely want to avoid injury. Focusing on being steady and regular.

Sorry, I couldn’t find the threads that I initially found. I’m pretty sure that they were similar to ones that you’ve read. Also, I finally got my Stealthformen Innerwear. I am using it now, after I jelq. I’m wearing it right now, and I definitely consider Penis Wrapping to be a solved issue, with this product. I also definitely see the value of wrapping (for me the value of using Innerwear, so for me “Innerwear” wrapping, as I’ll henceforth refer to it). After you jelq, and put this thing on, you definitely feel a nice “stretch” consistent “stress” on your flaccid dick, when it’s wrapped up in this. And I’m not even using the Stealth Corkscrew yet (I will purchase it later) which is supposed to enhance your gains from Penis Exercises. All in all, if you’re like me, and you are wary of making mistakes in Penis wrapping, then my advice is to buy this product. Definitely more expensive than buying adhesive bandages for wrapping, but this feels so much more convenient. And you don’t have to peal adhesive tape off of your raw, jelqued cock when you’re done with the wrapping. Technically speaking, I’m actually going to just wear this product whenever I’m not jelqing, or showering. It’s not like a stretching device that will cause problems when you have a full erection, so this will be easy to sleep with on.