A couple of articles that are sceptical towards P.E

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Agreed — the doctors’ statements were not very good models of a scientific worldview.

Well I haven’t seen any results with my own penis and I have been doing this stuff on and off for years.

Only now I have started to hang to see if I can kick start some gains, So I can see why they dont belive. I want to belive.

I don’t think the docs have any good reason to believe it in — we’ve hardly given them any evidence, which is why we encourage more guys to photo-document their gains from the beginning — but the appropriate scientific attitude to have, in this case, (from a perspective outside the PE community,) is skepticism, not the kind of dogmatism these docs displayed, in my opinion.

Hmmm that’s a good point ……

I read some time a ago about some potential lost of penile tissue elasticity but I cannot confirm it or find the reference….

Not everyone can get a gain it’s true! And you just said in your post your on and off is that mostly off or on? This stuff ain’t easy gains will vary from person to person I would think about half the people that start give up with no gains. The first thing you all need to do is forget about what the pay sites promise and realize the reality of PE is yes you most likely can gain but it is time consuming and demanding. Oh yeah PE is dangerous also you can no doubt fuck up your dick but if your careful your dick becomes actually stronger and healthier like mine.

I forgot to ask if we get our money back. Do we?

Ditto to what Dino just said. For 99% of us, it takes a lot of consistent effort to make significant gains.

The medical community’s biggest concern is probably less that PE might work, but more that it works pretty much for free. They have a vested interest in waiting for a procedure or a pharmaceutical therapy.

I think the issue is that there is so much medical pseudo-science that doctors have a knee-jerk reflex to not believe in things not yet proven by a real scientific study.

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Personally I think the doctors are full or shit. Just like others have said already, the doctors are pissed because they are missing out on our money so they say it doesnt work. Its the same shit with people that take herbal medicines and not their expensive, toxic, prescription drugs that hurt a person more than helping them in alot of cases. There are herbal remedies out there that heal and cure lots of diseases and illnesses of the body but the FDA wont allow them to make such claims because its all a damn money thing with the government and doctors. I havent been PE’ing long but I do without a doubt believe it works. The measurements in my sig are from about 4 weeks ago and last night I took a measurement and it looked as if Im right on 7” now. Im not really counting that as a 1/4” gain in 4 weeks just yet because I dont want to get my hopes up. I keep thinking I measured wrong but we’ll see next time I jelq which will be tomorrow. All I can say is dont let the nay sayers ruin your hopes here with PE. I could see if THUNDERS PLACE was charging for all this great info, then there would be reason to be skeptical, but do you really think all these great guys here would waste hours and hours of their time writing up all these routines, how to’s, step by step guides for everything you could ever want to know about PE if it truly didnt work? I think not!!!!

That’s crap. My wife is a doctor and the suggestion that doctor’s are involved in a conspiracy to convince people that PE doesn’t work so they can make money on a drug that may or may not materialize x number of years down the road is BS.

PE doesn’t work for most people. Momento did a study based on posts here and determined that only 1/3 of people who gave an honest effort saw gains and many of those people who reported gains have probably lost their gains since they stopped PEing.

Don’t blame the doctors for not believing. PROVE THEM WRONG!

As I stated above, my wife is a doctor and I’m doing my best to prove her wrong (assuming she doesn’t believe PE is possible - I haven’t asked her). She doesn’t know I do PE and has yet to say “you look bigger” or you “feel bigger”. I’m pretty sure that the 66% of people who tried PE and failed are skeptical too and most of them aren’t doctors.

I’m a realist and if PE worked consistently then every man on this planet would be strangling their penises 24/7. Until gainers are the rule instead of the exception we need to live with the doubters.

(Done in a Robert DeNiro Cape Fear styled Laugh in the movie theatre) Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahah ahahahahahahahahah.

Ever hear of Chiropractors? The AMA tried to run them out of town. Chiropractic - Wikipedia

Ever here of Eastern European Sports Training techniques? ETC……………..

Seriously, the reason why it is looked down upon is NARROWED SCHOOL OF THOUGHT of what is and isn’t possible, Secondly, it is a taboo subject. Third, there is no Surefire standardized instruction. It is like stereo instructions but for your prick. How many times has someone called a PC support line bitching they can’t get something to work on their computer? If that never happened the entire subcontinent of India would be jobless. Sure, we do a decent job, but if this was a business model, we would be laughed out the room for failure to utterly comprehend logistics.

People have a hard enough time trying to pull on a push door, and you want us to sing about Coca-Cola all in one perfect voice. Sweet Apple Flavored Jesus! There are no dickie spotters to make sure someone is doing whatever to proper instruction to check up on us. Do, I even have to go into the educational psych camp of people that are hot or cold learners and how they can or can’t process text without a visual?

Finally, people are kooks and quitters too. How is that treadmill from January that Bob hangs his clothes off? You could lead a smart kid to college, pay all the money, and the fucker still won’t show up for classes.

Never underestimate humanities stupidity, laziness, or stubbornness.

PS: Can your wife write me up some script for Xanex and Lithium? My friends tell me I am going off the deep end again.;)

Really? Do you have a link for that?

Most doctors don’t want to liable for something unsafe so will be safe and say it doesn’t work and a lot of doctors are making money from PE already. I also never have seen that thread from Mem and I would think it would about half that try get gains and 75% that try hard get some kind of gain. But most don’t try very hard and give up. Also the thought that every man would be doing PE is way off all guys know with proper nutrition and a good workout routine you can be in great shape and most guys aren’t. I can already see that interest in PE is starting to peak and that most people already have heard of it and either think it’s bullshit or just don’t want to bother. Some guys get a gain a lose interest their are very few like me that don’t give up until goal reached. And believe me gains get harder and harder to get the longer you PE. But in my mind I have already proved them wrong because I have gotten gains and have seen thousands of others come and go over the years who have also gotten gains.

From this?
What percentage realize significant gains

It will perhaps turn out that after 20 odd years of P.E that you get permanent E.D, however not to worry by then with the advances of biotechnology you will be able to get your favourite porn stars cock grown in a lab for you and stitched on. When that happens I’m going for the one featured on that world’s weirdest cock thread haha that girth is killer :)