A question for the "natural biggies"

Firstly, the body raises most of the growth factors naturally and considerably, but especially so testosterone, in response to muscle mass stimulated by weight lifting.

Secondly, there are studies out there that show considerable growth (of small an micro-penises) by testosterone cream alone.

Thirdly, PE works as evident by this forum.

I would say the default position is, that stuff just grows the more its stimulated and exposed to growth factors. And does less so if it isn’t. Any other proposition would be kind of strange.

Well just saying androgens doesn’t grow the penis after androgen receptors have been fully desensitized. Countless members have said their steroid use for years did 0 to grow the penis = more anecdotal proof. Just saying going to the gym or taking steroids hoping it will help to get a bigger dick is not working, it doesnt even increase the effect of PE, makes literally no difference.

Like I said, it would be really really strange if growth factors, especially so testosterone, didn’t considerably increase the effect of PE.

Its somewhat along the line of reasoning, that fertilizers won’t increase crop yield.

No it’s not a correct analogy. Hormone levels doesn’t affect PE at all if we are talking normal range (including very low) to any elevated range, makes no difference. I just used the steroid example to prove my point with a person with extreme high androgens getting 0 penis growth or 0 extra PE effect. Read dr richard howard on how PE affects the penis, penis is not a muscle it is just a network of connective tissue and erectile tissue surrounded by the tough tunica. A more correct analogy is just as little as your ears will stretch better from going to the gym just as little will your penis stretch better!

This is my first post on Thunder’s Place, and I’m sure it’s going to be long-winded because it’s one of my favorite topics! Going way back, I hit puberty at 11 and all of a sudden, while on vacation with my dad, I had full-sized manparts that wouldn’t fit into my little boy bathing suit anymore. I was so afraid to say anything to my dad but once I did he just chuckled and bought me some new shorts and, gulp, a jockstrap. Since that summer, I’ve been obsessed with my cock. I’ve never considered myself huge, but I’ve always understood (from finding my dad’s porn stash early on) that I had plenty, at least just a little more than most guys, and not as much as a lot of others. I’m naturally 7 x 6. With a cockring and/or viagra I can hit 7 1/4 x 6 3/8. Not a trophy winner for length, but my cock is a flat oval, so at almost 3 fingers wide, it’s impressive and it has gotten me a lot of oohs and ahhs over the years. Flaccid, I don’t think I stand out in a crowd; 3 - 4 inches long and decently thick, depending on the air temperature, smaller if the water’s cold. I’ve never tried measuring soft girth because it fluctuates a lot, even when warm. And, as a bonus, thanks to genetics (and kudos, dad!) I also got a pair of really heavy low hangers which just added to the package, so to speak.

So why PE? Like so many other guys here have said: I just want more. I’m obsessed/possessed. I’m especially obsessed with my girth. It’s kind of embarrassing to admit, but it really is an enormous part of my identity as a man (seriously, no pun intended.) The weight of it, the gravity in my hand. A friend once jokingly said to me that nothing ever bothered me because I’ve got a BDA: Big Dick Attitude (wonder where the word “cocky” comes from?) He said it half kidding, but maybe it wasn’t that much of a joke. I’m average looking and have a very average, semi-sedentary physique. But I’ve always been very comfortable in my skin. I’ve certainly never been modest and have a reputation with my friends as always being the first to drop trou and jump in the hot tub. Nude beaches, steamrooms, show and tell, where ever I get the chance to be naked, I am. In college I majored in photography and did several series of nude self portraits, many of which ended up in the display cases in the hallways. Everyone knew what I carried and I felt no shame. I feel like I’m plenty confident, without being an asshole. I doubt this all comes just from being slightly over-average, but I’m sure that doesn’t hurt.

I slept with plenty of women, back before I slept with plenty of men. Never heard anything about a shortage of genitalia, and to be honest I did have 3 women say no at the last minute because they were afraid of my width. Now I’m in my early 50s, a little thicker and grayer all over, and a couple of years ago I started noticing that I wasn’t as interested in sex all the time, and then less often, and then even more less often. Or when I was interested, I wasn’t always able to rise to the occasion. This was devastating, for me and my husband. Viagra and my assortment of cockrings helped most of the time, but not always. So this past summer I started Testosterone Cypionate treatments. Tiny weekly doses. My doctor had given me a couple of caveats before starting: that I might gain a little in dick size and that my balls may shrink just a bit. Within 3 weeks my libido was edging back toward my old normal range, and my cock started responding happily (which has continued exponentially but still isn’t completely fixed.) Morning wood is a regular thing again! I didn’t gain any length but on some days I can see what looks/feels like almost a 1/2” MORE girth!! My husband told me he needs to learn how to dislocate his jaw. Down side, my balls went from walnuts to pine nuts and the hang is nowhere near as low as it was. We’re working on that issue now, so more later on them and that’s probably a different forum anyway.

To wrap up, some of the things that led me here are that I’ve been into foreskin restoration on and off for 20+ years, mostly with weights of some kind to stretch the skin and my dick. I’ve been a pumper for almost 15 years, also on and off but not so much lately. I frequently wear a cockring just for a little boost. I have not done the BPEL or girth measurements specific to this site yet, but will add those soon. I don’t have any specific growth goals, but I’d like to be show a little more box I guess. Thanks for reading!

Yeah having clinical low testosterone, i.e lower than low normal range is not fun, good thing you catched it before it turned into something worse like heart disease.

Yes so much this. I started at around 8”x5,7”(midshaft 6” base) and that is BP. I had a 6X6 nbp which gave me the idea of being small a feeling I kept until I fucked my first GF who got pain from the girth. However I have always been dissatisfied with the length.

Well I have been using steroids for the past 6 years, and have also been running high dosages. It did not increase my cock size.

Exactly. I was in TRT for some time. Only thing it improved was libido.

Well, I’ve always been oddly well-endowed. Here’s the thing though, I work out a lot, and am basically trying to get to the best body I can possibly have.

Working Out Base Stats:
Bicep Curl: 50lbs
Squats: 200lbs
Bench Press: 160lbs.

Final Goal Desired Stats:
Bicep Curl: 150lbs
Squats: 600lbs
Bench Press: 400lbs

(I’m odd in that category that even with dieting, losing bodymass is hard for me. Whereas putting on muscle is pretty easy, so long as I’m consistent.)

In that same vein, I want to improve all parts of my physicality, including my member.

Starting Stats:
BPEL: 8.05
BPFSL: 8.75
Girth: 5

Desired Final Stats:
BPEL: 10.25
BPFSL: IDGAF
Girth: 6.5

Even now, I know there are things in my immediate life I can do to improve my EQ, dieting, quitting tobacco, etc. So, for me this is all just part of what I’m doing to improve myself physically by any means necessary.

I honestly prefer PE, because it seems to produce MUCH more desirable results compared to surgery. Apparently you get better results from putting in work, who knew?

I started with a naturally given gift of 6.75 inches long and 7 inches of girth. I’ve found over the years that that much girth is way too much for most girls without a lot of foreplay and practice, and half of them can’t really take it. So I definitely do not want any more girth. But I have always wanted to be at least 7.5 inches long, hopefully 8. There are two reasons for this. One, I figured if I’m already big I may as well go really big. And the other is the bigger I get (I’m at 7.25 in length now), the more fun it is to play with.

For penis health! When you’re over 65, your erection quality not what it use to be, limited nocturnal erections, and moderate ED, that’s reason enough.

My response may come across as a bit off-putting.

I aspire to excel in everything I do. I want women to regard me as the best man in every possible aspect. I want to feel that when I shake another man’s hand, I surpass him in every way. This doesn’t mean I intend to be rude or unkind. Striving for excellence in everything also means being the kindest and most welcoming and encouraging person. It also involves excelling in forgiveness and love towards others.

I’ve not always been like this. Perhaps this mindset stems from some kind of past trauma? Regardless, I believe it’s a healthy perspective, and I believe that only positive outcomes can result from it. So, why consider changing it?

I started at the bare minimum of what you categorize as "big". There were basically a bunch of little reasons:

-I wanted to see if it really worked.
-I knew that even if I was above average according to statistics, I was small compared to every dick I had ever seen in porn.
-I wanted to make sex feel better (most of the time I can barely feel anything) and I felt like a larger dick would make it more intense.
-I thought it would impress/please my partner more.

Found PE by accident. I had ED and the dr suggested pumping. I paid too much for a cheaply made cylinder from the local sex toy shop and started pumping with zero knowledge of the process. Started searching for info and found Thunder’s. Somewhere along the way my wife said you’re dick is bigger. I measured for probably the first time since I was a teen, and she was correct. My ED was under control and I was pleased with the growth so decided to keep going. Sex was great before PE, continues to be great after.