A Urologist’s View of Turtling

Mrz. G. and I received a visit last night from our good friend who I simply refer to as Doc on the forum. For some of you new members who may not know, she is an MD and was my urologist for many years. I no longer have a professional relationship with her; she is just a very good friend of ours. Although it was a social visit and much wine was consumed, the conversation eventually got around to PE.

It was very cold here in Las Colinas last night, and since most of this visit was conducted outside in our hot tub and later inside our apartment by the fire, there was a lot of elongation and shrinkage happening, which got the subject of turtling started. When Doc drinks, she gets very down to earth, and the medical facade goes out the window and you would never know she was a doctor, especially when she is with Mrz G. The two of them were getting pretty giddy and joking about how much difference a flaccid penis can grow and shrink from just hot water or cold wind. When I’m down in that 104-degree water I get very long, but when I set up on the side of the hot tub to cool off I turtle, especially when it is 31 degrees out like it was last night.

I don’t turtle away inside the fat pad like I use to for two reasons. One, I no longer have much of a fat pad, and two my dick has just gotten too fat to retract completely into the body, but it still turtles when exposed to a brisk wind. Only now it just kind of retracts into the excess PE skin of the shaft. This retraction gives the illusion of a really fat girth about 7” or more. When I first met Doc, about 8 years ago I weighed over 300 pounds and when I turtled my dick went away altogether. I have discussed this matter at length on the forum before but since this question was asked on another thread I thought I’d write more about Doc’s views on turtling. This is how she explained it to us last night.

The reason the penis turtles is for protection. Whenever it senses trauma, be it cold weather, rough sex, being hit in the groin or PE especially the latter, the body pulls the organ back deep inside the body where it is safe and warm and out of harm’s way. So when you jump into an ice-cold swimming pool or overdo sex or PE the result is a shriveled retracted penis.

Now, this is where I disagree with Doc. According to her, a turtling penis is a healthy penis, and we should never try to keep this involuntary body function of self-preservation from taking place. Thus, according to the good doctor we should “Never prevent it from turtling.”

I’m sure this is good medical advice from the point of view of healing an injury, but I think it is bad PE. I think right the opposite is true for OUR needs. We are working with controlled damage here. The whole principal behind natural PE is to break down the tissue, then force it to heal back while being held in an extended state, such as with an ADS or Fowfering. By not allowing the penis to retract back inside the body, we are forcing it to heal in an elongated state. If we let the penis retract back into the body to heal, it will most likely heal quicker and more efficiently, but it will also heal short, strong and more resistant to PE. Also, by keeping the cells pulled apart (Extended) while they heal, this allows new cells to form and fill in the gap, thus creating more cells and thus more tissue resulting in a longer penis.

The same principals apply with girth work. By expanding the tissue laterally with such routines as clamping, pumping, dry jelqing in a semi erect state, we are keeping the penis engorged and expanded laterally for a longer duration of time than it would be normally. With exercises such as clamping we are actually causing a self educed preapisam (Doc’s term), and by slipping on a cock ring, or a mag-wrap or in my case a single lead peweight, we are keeping the penis almost permanently expanded laterally while the micro-tears heal in that inflated state, thus causing more girth. By drinking lots of water thus keeping the penile tissue hydrated and heavy and taking such supplements as L Arginine or NXO2 and even ED drugs such as the liquid Cialis which allows more blood flow into the penis, we are keeping it in a perpetual enlarged state as the controlled damage heals laterally.

In conclusion, Doc does not deny that these methods do indeed cause enlargement of the penis, however she sticks to her original claim that PE is dangerous, and that the gains we get from it do not out weigh the dangers evolved to get there.

I promised her I would once again pass her warning on to the community. So I have. She will read this thread later, but unfortunately will not respond to any questions, at least not on the record. This is friendly advice only.

That’s great and all BG.

But has the good doctor gotten down with you and Mrz. G yet?

:D

Wow, this post came at just the right time. I started working on my girth routine tonight after a 2 week decon break and was wondering whether I need to use my PE weights for ADS. Then, out of nowhere, this thread pops up saying that wearing a cock ring throughout the day would be a girth ADS since it keeps it expanded laterally. I’m sure this is common knowledge by now but I seem to have missed after all my months in the hanging forum.

How long are you capable of keeping this engorged state while in your lead ring? I might have to go buy a cock ring soon.

Also, could someone explain to me how this NXO2 helps in PE? I couldn’t find anything here or on Google. Thanks.

Monty’s biggest peweight with all the rubber stripped off is just the right size for me after I’ve been clamping. I think the hole is about 2” ID maybe a little less. After a good girth workout I can slip it on in the shower and press it all the way back against the body and pull all that loose skin forward through the ring. The weight will stay on this way keeping a good engorgement without cutting off circulation. I wear at least one of these all the times I’m on my feet.

NXO2 or NOX2 (Salts of Arginine)
The good news: Makes your arteries wider, relaxes smooth muscle tissue and increases blood flow to the penis, lowers your blood pressure, gives you more stamina, and a heavier fuller flaccid. The Bad news: Gives you cramps if you don’t wash it down with plenty of water. Also may cause kidney stones if abused and can make it hard to climax, which is good for edging, bad for sex. I personally don’t get any of the negative and all of the good, but others have had these problems. It works best for me if I cycle it on and off.

Oh, quik4life: I see you are on. Sorry I will get to your PM. Life’s been kind of hectic the last couple of nights.

I can understand the logic behind what Doc says about never preventing your penis from turtling, our bodies self preservation mechanisms don’t always do the right thing. A perfect example is when you drink too much alcolhol and you vomit. By the time you start to vomit the alcohol that has made you sick has passed the stomach and entered your bloodstream. Vomiting won’t actually get rid of any alcohol unless your still have some left in your stomach that hasn’t been digested yet. The only thing that will purge your blood of alcohol is time. I’m not trying to compare turtling and the body’s response to excessive alcohol consumption. I’m just pointing out that the bodies response isn’t always the best thing. Sometimes it’s actually counterproductive. Sometimes it’s just ineffective.

In the case of turtling, I’m not sure that withdrawing the penis into the body speeds up healing, it probably is only meant to protect the penis from further damage or pain. I’d use turtling as a rough guide. If you’re dick turtles after PE, it’s probably time for some rest days. The real question is: does turtling indicate you’ve overdone it, or should we be aiming for just enough PE to make your penis turtle. Sort of like training to failure in the gym.

I don’t know. I’m no doctor. Just throwing some ideas out there.

I agree with you Paul. I think a severally turtled dick is a pretty good sign of overdoing it. I think we want to train ourselves to stop just short of this. I used to hang 25 pounds with the Bib hanger. After a typical session of three 20 minute sets I would really retract. I also turtle a little after a clampathon girth session or over pumping for girth, but my dick is very, very fat then. I think when your dick is that fat and swollen it has to shorten up a little. I don’t seem to have any retraction after hanging with vacuum unless I over pump to hang over 15 pounds. I think MB’s new hanger may really help with retraction after length-work.

However, I still hold to my motto: Never Let it Turtle. Even though it does earn me a butt-chewing from Doc every time she sees that in my sig.

Turtling is probably natures design for protection against stinging nettles, high underbrush and generally rough conditions. PE hasn’t been around that long, so I guess we can rule out the theory that it turtles to avoid overworking in that fashion. I think it is probably the “safe reaction” applied to anything that isn’t cosy and snug (procreation).

So what’s the natural scientific or evolutionary explanation for why some men turtle more than others? Are some dicks simply less prone to trauma?

I don’t know. Sometimes I think we push the evolutionary explanation too far. Perhaps dicks just turtle, nothing more!

I think nature gives us a pretty good range of variation on a theme. We are still in nature’s “trying to work out how much turtling is appropriate”-phase.

Which makes me think of the physical therapist I once spoke to who cautioned me not to favor the bad ankle by limping - better to take an aspirin and walk normally or you’ll start getting problems with the good leg as well. Nature’s self defense is good in most cases, but might not be optimal in all.

Why do I turtle when I have to take a shit?

Natures way of making sure you don’t get poo on your weiner. Could lead to bad infections otherwise.

Hmmm…never thought of that.

Perhaps the added warmth is as important as vasoconstriction in making a neoprene wrap an effective post PE tool.

Rockwood: True, a warm dick heals faster than a cold dick.

Mgus: Also true. Back when man was more ape-like I’m sure he retracted more. As we as we became bipedal we retracted less. I guess the penis tucks inside the body more when it thinks it may be taken off by a low hanging branch whilst swinging through the trees. (Insert comments from goonbaby here;) ) Animals that walk on four legs even today have a retracted penis that only comes out for sex.

Motivated: I think even Showers retract some. The more up right we walk the less the penis needs to retract. Perhaps all of us growers still have a little monkey in us. Maybe in another million years we will all be showers and there will be no need for PE. (:

Nick: When you take a dump your penis is tucked between your legs awaiting the k-plunk anticipating getting splashed by the cold toilet water, so it turtles.

:rolleyes:
In case Doc reads this thread, I don’t know you guys.