Any opinions on this article?

Hello Everyone,

I came across this article at the LiveScience website. Here is an excerpt:

"Pumps merely simulate an erection and have no long-term effect on size. Exercises, namely a technique of dubious Arabic origin called jelqing, can lead to nerve damage. Jelqing-a term most urologists have never heard of and which is conspicuously absent from medical and Arabic dictionaries—-entails stroking a semi-erect penis in a certain way for about 30 minutes a day for months to enlarge the penile cavities that fill with blood, making for larger erections.

Testimonials abound on the Internet. The exercise makes no sense biologically, however, and one runs the risk of tearing blood vessels and loosing sensitivity if one tugs too hard for too long. Those 30 minutes could be spent doing sit-ups for sexier results."

The entire article is at: Penis Enlargement Products Come up Short | Live Science

This is the type of article that makes me wonder about the safety and effectiveness of jelqing or pumping.

Seems like articles and opinions outside of this site seem to recommend to stay away from PE. I still have the "I don’t know" opinion when it comes to whether or not PE works.

Not sure who to believe anymore.

Frypup

All I know is that there are many members on this forum who have seen 1”+ gains, AND have harder and stronger erections then ever before. That’s enough proof for me.

Gimli

In the wise words of a friend of mine who’s an amateur fighter, upon winning a fight and getting booed

“Haters are gonna hate, motherfuckers.”

It is not scientific because they have not made any experiments on the subject, it is medical inference. We’ll just laugh our way to the Magnum XL trays at the drug store.

PE doesn’t work. Period. There is simply no scientific evidence to support it, therefore it simply cannot possibly be true.

GM

So then why are you here?

Gland Master was joking.

The fact of the matter is is that jelqing takes away revenue from doctor’s that want to put penis implants in your penis for $$$.
And have you getting needless lengthening surgeries.

PE cut into their bottom line.

The medical scientific profession thought Lister was a nut for making the claim that you won’t lose as many patients if you wash your hands before doing surgeries.

They put him in a prison.

Guess what surgeons and nurses now scrub up even before they even touch a patient.

What is un-provable today becomes provable tomarrow.

Ever heard of sarcastic remarks? LOL. Besides if you leave then that means less competition for us.:) :D

FryPup, even though that “article” is in a “scientific” website, you can notice that it has NO evidence whatsoever to support the fact that PE doesn’t work. The only shred of evidence there is that jelqing doesn’t appear in dictionaries (I really haven’t checked though). So fucking what?

If urologists don’t know what jelqing is, too bad. They won’t benefit from it. Tough break. I did consult a urologist once about pumps though. Know what he said? He told me that he had many patients who had gained as much as 3 cm in length (little over 1”) in a year of pumping.

Even if it weren’t permanent and pumping were the only way to get your penis bigger, then I guess I would just pump my whole life. It’s a good thing I ran into Thunder’s Place though, because the jelqing (which isn’t supposed to work anyway) I gained 1 cm in three weeks. Scientists who claim that jelqing doesn’t work at all, can suck my extra cm gained thanks to jelqing. If I keep on going, they’ll be able to suck a whole 3 extra cm (hopefully I’ll reach a 17 cm dick).

Broken blood vessels aren’t a problem either. An everyday bruise is nothing more than broken blood vessels. A bruised dick is just as common as a bruised finger, arm or leg. If somebody is very scared of bruising, then PE is not advisable.

I also know of guys here who have been PEing actively for over 3 years, not only jelqing but also clamping, using ADS, pumping, etc. Not once have I read that any of them lost sensitivity. In fact, I’ve read reassuring posts from them claiming their sensitivity was completely intact. Would you look at that? They had better erections, bigger dicks (maybe bruised from time to time, no biggy) and no sensitivity loss! Wow. PE sounds great.

Fuck skeptical, short-dicked, greedy doctors.

Money is one thing an another thing is human mentality and psychology. ‘Doctors’ are people who think of themselves as ‘intelligent’. He will not believe in anything that he can not ‘understand’….But do not worry-those who discover new things/ideas are those who have no evidence and just pure faith that ‘it will work’.

What Einstein told about such situations(as far as I recall he was ‘explaining’ how ‘big discoveries’ are made)?…”everyone ‘knows’ it can’t be done, and there is one who does not know it and he simply does it”

Different doctor, same dubious information. I personally don’t believe these doctors and other sexual experts are doing it to help penis enlargement surgeons. Hell, most of them disregard surgery too.

So why, you may ask, would they spread rumors that simply aren't true? In short: I think they’re just going with the flow. In the manner of the world being flat or the Earth being the center of the Universe, PE must be fake and dangerous because other doctors said so.

And then the guys who write these article have a column, a TV Show (in the case of Dr. Drew of Loveline), or another type of media that needs to be filled. When they do their research, most of them probably don’t want to take the time to search through thousands of forum posts (although it would only take a few good ones to find the truth).

But hey, that’s just my take on the subject. Who knows what the truth is ;)

Guys - I am a doctor myself and I was convinced until a few years ago that pe doesn’t work.

However, I wanted a bigger dick as long as I can remember and one day I saw an ads in a sex shop and thought by myself: why not make a little experiment and check it out.

9 months later I measured for the first time and I had gained one cm (1/3 of an inch). I was so excited that I told my gf who declared that I am a stupid freak.

Anyhow, I joined thunderss and started reading quite a bit and soon realized that there is a lot of scientific support for the possibility that pe might work although there is no direct proof.

On the other hand, there is no proof of the contrary (that pe would not work) as well.

In conclusion, from my experience and from my reading I know now that pe works. Science only supports the mechanisms on which pe relies. Some people who have posted here are as smart as researchers, and some may be physicians and/or researchers outside of this forum such as I am.

Don’t forget that medicine, like other disciplines, is a very closed community and relies on it’s ‘inner evidences’.

In the scientific community doesn’t work, but we all know that’s a lot of things that’s has not be approval in scientific methods that work, people get confused of what’s science, what’s the meaning of this word.

Well said. Most physicians (and urologists in particular, for that matter) oppose PE surgery, due to its dangers and lack of efficacy, so I really don’t think money is a factor here. Two things about medicine’s perspective:

1. A normal-sized penis is not considered a medical problem, any more than normal-sized muscles are. Desperately wanting to enlarge a normal-sized penis may be considered a psychiatric issue, however :)

2. PE has an image problem. For most people, including doctors, it is associated strongly with the bullshit spam that fills their inboxes each day, alongside Nigerian fund-transfer scams and the like. Moreover, even if a physician found this site — the best testimonial to PE’s reality there is — we still have extremely little in the way of convincing photographic evidence of significant gains, so I can see why someone who hasn’t personally experienced PE might dismiss us as deluded. Surely there are internet fora out there, populated by thousands of members, whose topics of discussion we would consider largely wacko.

Lol, Sit-ups.

Yep!

Science as a process has several tenets: empiricism, hypothesis, and falsibility (now the most important).

Empiricism is the process of observation and gaining knowledge via sensory experience, but in science one must also define a measurable variable.
Hypothesis is a formal statement of what a person thinks is the likely outcome of an experiment, optimally with no more than one variable.
Falsibility is the power to prove the hypothesis wrong, and it is critical for science to be falsible.

Here’s how it works -

Hypothesis: if otherwise healthy men hang weight from their penises, the tissue will stretch and they will have increased penile length.

Process and Empiricism: pilot data is obtained to determine the amount of weight necessary for plastic deformation of the penis, the statistical power is determined, the requisite number of volunteers are recruited, control and treated groups are established, weights are applied in a consistent manner for a set duration and frequency, final observations are made, the data are analyzed and statistics run.

Falsibility: if there is no statistically significant change in penile length, at the end of a well-designed study, the hypothesis is false (and P.E. does not work).

To the best of my knowledge there has only been one scientifically rigorous experiment on penile enlargement, from jelqing, and it was conducted 30 or 40 years ago. It showed a statistically significant increase in penile size following a jelqing regimen. However, these experiments were never repeated, so the data are suspect by scientific standards.

What we do here at Thunder’s is not scientific and will never be scientific… unfortunate as that may be. However, in reply to the O.P., the anecdotal information here is strongly suggestive that P.E. does work. I do not have any scientific evidence that P.E. works in general, but I have empirical evidence that P.E. has worked for me. And that is good enough.