Basic Exercises & Their Advanced Counterparts

I’ve been pumping for about three weeks now. So far, it’s going well. Some days I seem to measure girthier and longer than usual, others not so much. It hasn’t been enough time, I know. One thing I have noticed is that, through pumping, I seem to have much more rock hard erections. Initially, it was spongy. I pump between 3-5 hg, 1x10 minute Monday through Friday. I seem to stay nice and solid even after ejaculating as well.

I started making an actual routine now. Warmup for five minutes with a hot wrap, 10 minutes pumping at 3-5 hg, 100 jelqs, a one minute manual clamp, 10 more minutes at 3-5 hg, then maybe another clamp at the end of the session with some edging (or actual ejaculating, if I can’t take the teasing.)

I’m going to be doing this M/T/Th/F for now, see how that goes. I feel it should yield some nice gains. Before this, I did PE on and off, never consistent. Plain jelqs, stretches and kegels bored me. I like pumping.

I’m starting to notice something, though - it seems like the basic exercises (kegel, jelq, stretch) have advanced counterparts that are ideal at reaching the goals of the basic exercises. It seems pumping (since it’s said to be used to ED) is almost like a stronger kegel. More powerful, vein-filled erections. Jelqing, of the three basics, is best for girth. Clamping is the advanced counterpart to jelqing. And finally, hanging is the advanced version of stretching.

Has anyone else noticed these correlations? I mean, sure, hanging gives some base girth, jelqing and clamping more veins and better erections, and pumping gives length and girth as well, but they all seem to overlap.

Just a thought.

Don’t ejaculate it’s been shown to limit gains.

Bullshit.

Doesn’t remek’s PE survey indicate that ejaculation does hinder gains?

It indicates that a lot of people voted for that option in his poll. Doesn’t make it true though.

No one commented on my original topic yet, heh.

I don’t think ejaculating hinders anything. How could it? That premise doesn’t even make sense.

I try not to just to keep myself constantly aroused, so I get harder erections. Feels better for PE.

Some times, though, I just can’t help myself. And then I go at it. But I don’t feel guilty after ‘cause it might *gasp* hinder my gains.

I’m not sure if I agree with that. Clamping is more like an advanced ULI. Jelqing does produce length gains so it isn’t just a girth exercise the way clamping is. Of course, jelqing can give that ULI-like expansion so in that respect clamping is just the advanced version.

Same thing with pumping. Is it really an advanced kegel? It doesn’t workout the BC, does it?

Not trying to be contradictory but it would be nice to draw up a set of guidelines that say: if this exercise does not work for you, try it’s advanced version.

About the ejaculation thing: I have seen good gains whether or not I ejaculated. It doesn’t make a difference per se. What it does affect, however, is how easily I can get erections and maintain them. If I recently ejaculated then my workout takes longer since I’m constantly trying to get erect. I think that is why some see diminished results when they release.

Well good then. Easier to stick with it.

I can’t speak so much for pumping but I’ll go ahead and agree with your observations regarding Jelqing and Clamping. Not so much about hanging. A lot of the basic stretches have advanced counterparts (v’s and inverted as well as the static stretch) which are in fact quite different from hanging. I feel a much different sensation from hanging than stretching. With experience, you will probably notice this as well.

It’s all stress on the penis in the end, I guess. Good looking out.

Where the fuck did this come from? It has nothing to do with AlmaDiedAlone’s original post.

I think you have a point there. I had a related thought earlier today when someone was asking about what jelqing really does. I starting thinking that what we do in PE really comes down to two principles: stretching and expansion. Everything we do does one or the other, or some of both. This ties in with your thought about common threads between basic and advanced exercises.

Kegels cause expansion (and some stretching) from muscular contraction. Pumping causes more expansion and stretching.

Jelqing causes expansion from the increased internal pressure you’re generating with your hands or a mechanical device. Clamping causes more of an increase in internal pressure.

Stretching, of course, is a stretching exercise. Hanging causes more stretching by imposing more force.

I just wish that we all better understood the physiological result of applying those principles. I don’t know if we are deforming existing structures, causing new cell growth, causing microtears, weakening the tunica, stretching the ligaments, or some combination of all those things.

I do understand that on the macro level, careful stretching and expansion can result in a larger and healthier penis.

I am not as sure as borntodoit about that, but I suspect that borntodoit was trying to be helpful, and it was a response to a point in AlmaDiedAlone’s post, even if it was not the main point of the post.

AlmaDiedAlone had written:

Not trying to be contradictory, but sometimes the answer is to do less, not more. In my earlier post, I discussed the basic principles that we’re applying through these exercises: stretching and expansion. What I didn’t touch on was the other dimensions of these exercises: magnitude, frequency and duration.

That’s why I don’t think it can be as simple as saying “jelqing’s not working for you? Try pumping!”

Cool, some replies. Yeah, stretching and expansion are the two ways to go about everything.

I’m still a bit skeptical, but I haven’t been at it long enough to say anything. And I do at least notice harder, more pronounced erections, so even if it doesn’t grow, that’s one plus.

Looking forward to my journey. I have pictures, but if it doesn’t grow, I probably won’t post any. If I do see growth, I’ll post my before and afters so I can help others see the truth - PE works.

Woops, my bad.