Bib's history

Well, I must apologize. Many guys have asked about my PE career and I have replied that it was in one of the forums somewhere, just do a search. Well, several have said they could not find it, so I did a search and could not find it. Uh, sorry.

So, here it is. Some stuff has probably been left out. I did not save all the longer posts, but I found these.

I started out at a little less than 6” erect by 5 inches girth. The girth is estimated because I did not measure until much later after starting. My penis was rather uniform in girth before starting to hang. The upper shaft did not gain much if anything while only hanging. When I did measure after a few months, the upper shaft was five inches, so that is about where I started. The base was much larger at that time.

The last time I measured, I was still at 10.5 by 6.5 upper shaft, and 7 at the base. The length took about two years after which I worked on girth for sixteen months while also continuing to hang at lesser stress levels in order to cement length gains.

I started in June ‘98 by hanging under the guidance of the old Tom Hubbard site, and the original PEforums. Seems like forever. I started with a loop type hanger, but quickly realized that was dangerous. Then I began making better and more complicated hangers. I eventually, after about six months or so, worked up to hanging all day, from 7:30 am to 4:30 pm, as well as a couple of sets at night when family had gone to bed, five days on and two off. Sometimes, with privacy, I would hang a few sets on the weekend. Rarely did I take an extended break.

When eventually I stopped hanging, I had worked my max weight up to 45 lbs. Very intense. I did my Ulis for girth with an Uli thing. Many sets per day.

Other stuff:

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This was in the FAQ section. I guess it fell off the board.

I thought PE was a crock. I didn’t believe anything on Tom’s site. But it is well written and seemed honest. I had most of what was needed to get started so I just tried it. I was kind of like Soma and other guys. I saw some good early gains and things took off from there. I kind of got carried away and ended up doing PE a lot more than I thought I would. But I like it.

When every time (almost) that I measured, I saw an increase, I was astounded. I still can’t believe it. When I pass a mirror naked and catch a glimpse, I still do a double take. Also, I catch my wife looking all the time, naked or clothed. She looks at my crotch more than my face. I also catch other women looking all the time (clothed of course).

This weekend I took a 30-hour continuing education class. There were about 20 women and 15 men. I sat at the 2nd table from the back on one side, kind of in a corner. The first day I wore boxers with shorts. Thereafter I wore boxers and sweat pants. Almost all the women in the class stared at my crotch. I told all who asked that I am married. By the 2nd day, I had the 7 best-looking women in the class sitting around me. They ranged from 24 to 33 in age. I’m 43 and not bad looking, but nothing like that has ever happened to me before. I have never been that popular.

About my wife; I told her very early, about 3-4 months after I started. The difference in sex was already very noticeable to me, and I new she would ask about it soon. She was already having much more powerful orgasms. I explained the whole thing on a trip. She said she had noticed a difference. When we returned home, I showed her Tom’s site and showed her what I did while she was at work and the kids in school. She thought it was a little weird but supported me. She thought it was analogous to women wanting larger breasts.

When I got to nine inches, she started talking about how it was long enough and didn’t want any more length. I can’t go in all the way; it hurts her when I hit bottom. But she liked the girth and wanted me to continue trying to get some more (if I wanted). She likes trying new positions that we can do now. We still are doing different things. It is still a new toy. I almost never ask for sex. She always starts the proceedings.

At first, she was fairly amazed at the increase. My penis has been the #1 topic of conversation for a long time and I don’t always bring it up. She still talks about it, but seems more interested in using it. She knows I am probably in the 99th percentile for length, but it doesn’t matter to her. It’s not like; “wow my man has a big pecker!” She would still love me and stay with me if I had my “old” penis. But the sex is a lot better and she will admit that.

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Changes

This topic was explored a couple months ago. I wrote about it then and have thought about it from time to time. I’ve also palpated and tried to compare my penis now to my penis almost two years ago. It’s impossible to come up with anything concrete. Of course there is no way to utilize scientific method in a situation like this. The horse is out of the barn, and you can’t put him back. But I will state the facts again and give some educated guesses/opinions. Ok, here goes…..

General appearance

PrePE my unit was fairly nondescript. When erect, it was not impressive; fairly pale, little venation, smallish head, at best ordinary. Now, it always has much more color (erect or flaccid), prominent veins, and larger head/glans. Wife described as “a little scary” recently; no offense intended or taken.

Ligaments

First you must realize, my penis is not just much bigger (4.5”erect). The entire area is completely different from when I started. I would describe my genitals prePE as infantile. Almost complete retraction when flaccid into the body (nuts also). After almost two years of work, everything now hangs; is very prominent. Obviously the ligaments that support the entire area have been stretched/grown to express this difference.

Further, the penis was extremely high. It had never “hung” when flaccid, semi-hard etc. It pointed up (head) when flaccid, and as it became erect extended straight up. Now the best it can do is straight out when erect. I think it requires too much pressure from blood to allow it to go any higher. As it fills with blood, it hangs lower (gravity) which requires increased pressure to overcome gravity.

Where it exited my body was several inches away from the “base” or the prostate. Now it is what I consider normal. It exits much lower, only a couple inches from the prostate.

I know that I had good early gains from this ligament stretch; from everything being pulled down and out of my body. If I had to estimate, I would say around two inches.

Tunicae

However I also know that my head used to be well below my navel when laying down and erect. Possibly 2-3 inches below. Now it is a couple inches above my navel. If all gains were from lig stretch, I don’t think this would be possible. Unless penis inside the body was pulled “out” which allowed it to go “up” further when laying down. There may be some truth to that but I don’t think very much.

I know that the tunicae does grow/stretch. I have never said this before, but after a couple months of the uli#3, there is no doubt. I am now well attuned to my tunicae. I can “feel it” when it is under great pressure from the exercise. I can actually feel the stretch just like any other stretch. I know that it is stretching/growing laterally. I feel it does the same lengthwise. I have since realized that I feel the same thing when hanging. It is just not as pronounced.

More mass, stretching Vs growing

I am relatively certain that all gains are not simply from stretch. I have had a huge increase in the amount of flaccid mass. With no blood engorgement, there is MUCH more mass than before outside of my body. Several times more mass. Some I am sure was simply pulled out, but I can not believe this is the case with all of it. When flaccid, I can still feel a lot of mass within my body as well as the mass outside. I do not believe I had just a little mass outside and a whole lot inside prePE. I feel certain the stresses placed on my member have resulted in an increase in tissue. I have no idea of the mechanisms involved in this or the type(s) of tissue.

Permanency, future

Since starting PE, I have worried about this issue. I don’t worry much anymore since reading of Sean’s experience and thinking about it a little. In my case, it would seem to be like trying to put biscuit dough back in one of those cardboard containers. If I stopped PE completely; no milking, nothing, I would expect to lose a little simply from decreased health. I would not mind losing some even on a maintenance program which I intend to continue. It would be irrelevant.

I do not wish to gain any more length, and little if any girth. I do believe some work is needed for some abstract length of time to “cement” gains. A poor analogy would be: if you stretch a rubber band one time, it snaps back with little loss of integrity. If you stretch it constantly, it eventually will lose much elasticity, become longer, and become unable to return to it’s former shape. My wife does not want any more length, but would not mind a little more girth.

Work, efficiency and hanging, milking, Ulis

I think you will find that the one thing all big gainers have in common is tenacity. This is expressed in the consistency and levels of work. I believe you will find that as long as the techniques are performed properly, the best results are attained by those who are able to work the most. I was lucky in that I PEed all day while working. I work at home with very infrequent interruptions. I was able to incorporate PE in my daily activities with few problems. Some men do not have the time or privacy to do this many hours per week. If they are consistent however, I feel they can achieve their goals over time. The key is consistency. Most on this forum who complain of small gains admit to little work. I believe others think they are working a lot, but are only fooling themselves. I must say I think I could have achieved the same results with less work. I probably went overboard once I realized PE was possible.

The three techniques I have experience with are hanging, milking, and Uli#3. Below are my opinions mixed with a little common sense.

I think for someone who wants length, hanging is the most efficient way to go. If done properly, I think it is also the safest and easiest. It does take time to develop a comfortable routine, but this is a one time expense. Once you have become accustomed, you can perform many activities while hanging. Therefore this aspect of PE actually can require no time.

The reason it is the safest is in the fact you are utilizing known stresses, both weight and pressure. You can with certainty increase or decrease stress loads. You must however have a safe attachment device for hanging.
With milking, the inward pressure from the hands as well as the outward pull of the arms is unknown. I think there have been many more reports on this forum of injuries or desensitizing incurred from milking than from hanging. The results may vary also from many variables. How strong are your hands/arms? How long can you exert these unknown pressures? How much stress/injury is occurred and how will you know when you have gone too far? How much actual work is achieved week to week, month to month?

I think the value in milking is in the ability to increase blood flow and therefore overall penis health. Another poor analogy is angioplasty. With milking, you are able to work on the blood vessels with the hands. As long as you don’t apply too much pressure, the massaging action alone should lead to more supple vessels, and help in plaque removal etc. Depending on the amount of pressure, I think milking can increase girth due to the lateral pressures exerted on the tunicae.

The Uli#3 is definitely more efficient however in this regard. The inner pressure that can be achieved is remarkable. I feel certain this exercise is useful in increased circulation and overall penis health also.

These are just my opinions and observations. I wish I could produce a more scientific report but I can’t. Hope it helps in some way.

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Let me be one of the first to congratulate you on this most excellent post. It’s full of information and a true testimonial to the power of PE. Thank you very much for sharing it with us.

Yeah man awesome post and funny in some instances too. I’d just like to say man those are some pretty impressive gains.

A real live success story. Great gains, and your story can provide guidance and insights to the rest of us. It sounds like you are flirting with indecent exposure every time you wear shorts — way cool!

Thanks for telling us your story!

Nice summary, thanks. Would appreciate your addressing the amount of skin stretch you encountered. Specifically, does the skin sag down over the head of your cut cock when flaccid?

Bib,

Thanks for a great post.

I remember reading some posts by PE veterans saying that the Uli thing is, by far, the best way to gain girth. However, it seems not many members are currently using it. The consensus for girth gain today is: Horses, DLD horse shoes, manual Uli’s, sadsacks, jelquing, pumping.

What’s your opinion on the Uli thing compared to these other techniques, and do you still use it?

bud_do,

> Nice summary, thanks. Would appreciate your addressing the amount of skin stretch you encountered. Specifically, does the skin sag down over the head of your cut cock when flaccid? <

One of my minor goals when I started PE was to restore my foreskin. I had read a lot about the problems of being cut at an early age, the desensitizing of the head, etc. It made good sense that the head should be covered for protection when not erect.

During my ‘hanging for gains’ period, I really gained a lot of skin. A couple times, it even would ride over my head during sex. When I stopped hanging, the skin did retract somewhat, but it still rides over the head when flaccid affording protection. It worked out great.

Of course, I have no frenulum to constrict at all, which is still a plus. My head has become much more sensitive, even to the point of almost premature ejaculation. Have to worry about that sometimes, but the extra skin is really a plus for me.

Braker,

>I remember reading some posts by PE veterans saying that the Uli thing is, by far, the best way to gain girth. However, it seems not many members are currently using it. The consensus for girth gain today is: Horses, DLD horse shoes, manual Uli’s, sadsacks, jelquing, pumping.

What’s your opinion on the Uli thing compared to these other techniques, and do you still use it? <

First, I better say that a lot of the above was written long ago. I saved many of my longer posts because of the troll activity deleting everything on PEforums while on EZboard and before. The only PE I do now is trying out something when someone asks me to. I have not done the extreme Ulis in a long time.

As far as comparing the extreme Ulis to the other exercises, it would be tough since I have done little of them.

I would not do any of the erect bend exercises because of the risks involved with two force stresses. IMO, extreme Ulis are safer, and require less dedicated time.

The manual Uli’s took too much time for me. Much easier to get the pressure up with an Uli thing, tighten it down, and do other things for ten minutes or so. Then, rest and repeat.

I think jelqing is great for beginners and for keeping the vessels clear and open. I still do light jelqing every once in a while for health reasons. As far as for long term gains, I think the Ulis are much better. Certaintly more intense.

Horses I think can be great for many of the same reasons as jelqing, especially for older guys. I have done some, but not on a regular basis. The increase of pressure going from head to base really inflates the vessels that are within the body. IMO, this tends to deliver an internal angioplasty which increases the blood flow which can be delivered to the outer penis. I think this is the reason many guys see immediate girth increases, but then later there is little if any gains. With any PE exercises, erect gains, whether length or girth will not be seen, unless an increased blood supply can be delivered, either by pressure or volume of the vessels. I love physics.

While PEing and also now, I tended to jelq behind my balls, all the way almost to the prostate. This gave me the increased blood flow I was looking for. I did this with two fingers and thumb, trapping the internal shaft between the digits and my body. I could almost always get a better erection after doing this. Horses are probably more efficient.

I have never pumped, mainly because I do not understand how the engorgement achieved could be beneficial. The vacuum simply draws in fluid across the semi-permeable membranes within the penis. It matters not if it is blood or fluid. When the pressure from fluid builds up to an equal or greater pressure between the skin and tunica, than the internal tunica pressure, all benefits are lost. This is just my view on pumping, may be correct or incorrect. But I perceive the exercises which deliver internal tunica pressure alone to be the better avenue for gains.

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Hi Bib,

Thanks for the detailed response.

Let me see if I get it right, I also reread the your Uli Thing post on the FAQ section.

What you usually did is place the thing as closer to the base as possible, or did you alternate it’s position along the shaft?

Did you usually tighten it down and then just leave it for 10 minutes with the same pressure, rest and repeat for how many sessions?

The thing could have not increase your base girth, right? So most base girth increase was achieved from hanging? I do not hang, but I do pump, which I believe does help in increasing my base girth, but I do wonder if an extensive use of a Uli thing could create a baseball bat effect.

And finally, unfortunately I am not much of a handyman, I am wondering could you not achieve the same effect with a cock ring? For example this one , which I use, can be adjusted to any size and create as much pressure as you need. Or maybe I can find a metal ring that can be adjusted to a few different sizes. What do you think of a cock ring as an alternative to the Uli thing, and maybe you know of a specific one that is most similar?

Thanks,

Braker

PS - for some time now, I’ve been using a cock ring while having sex. These sessions might last a couple of hours even. The pressure I use is not as extreme as the Uli exercise, but still, I guess the same principle applies here too, and what I’m actually doing is having fun and PEing at the same time.

Braker,

>What you usually did is place the thing as closer to the base as possible, or did you alternate it’s position along the shaft?<

I alternated. Always at least below the circ scar though. It has to be a certain distance from the head to get full expansion. Trig.

>Did you usually tighten it down and then just leave it for 10 minutes with the same pressure, rest and repeat for how many sessions?<

Yes, you have to build up the pressure rather slowly. It might take a couple minutes to get full expansion and tightened. As best I can remember, about the most I ever did in a day was maybe ten sets. Very intense. The most soreness I incurred doing PE was with an intense Uli day. Much more than with hanging.

Also, after really having a few good sets of these, I would have to lower the pressure on succeeding sets. Much like lowering the weight when hanging. Finally, at the end of the day, I would simply remain wrapped to keep a little pressure on the tunica.

>The thing could have not increase your base girth, right? So most base girth increase was achieved from hanging? I do not hang, but I do pump, which I believe does help in increasing my base girth, but I do wonder if an extensive use of a Uli thing could create a baseball bat effect.<

Well, I increased about 1.5 inches upper shaft, and about .5 inches at the base. I really don’t know why the base increased that much, because I was not trying to. I did do some with the Uli thing as close to the base as possible. But not much. I got about 1.5 inches of base girth, mainly from hanging. Then, the .5 base girth from Ulis came later.

>And finally, unfortunately I am not much of a handyman, I am wondering could you not achieve the same effect with a cock ring? For example this one, which I use, can be adjusted to any size and create as much pressure as you need. Or maybe I can find a metal ring that can be adjusted to a few different sizes. What do you think of a cock ring as an alternative to the Uli thing, and maybe you know of a specific one that is most similar?<

Wow, that is really expensive. I found a similar device on the net for only a couple bucks. They are sold with several in a box. But I made my own out of surgical tubing and a rubber faucet washer. Used it a few times for sex. Anyway, it did not work as I wanted for Ulis.

The reason is, for the extreme Ulis, you have to cut off the back flow in the CCs and CS also. The return veins are on the outer portion of the shaft. They are easy to cut off and will provide a fair expansion. However, the blood pressure is able to equalize somewhat by back flow. So, in order to really increase the pressure, you have to cut off this backflow also, while still increasing the pressure a little. With a rubber product, as the pressure increases, the rubber gives which still allows for the backflow of blood.

The Uli thing I made for myself is hinged, and tapered so that it gives a greater increase of pressure when tightened. Kind of hard to explain. But the straight Uli thing or a stiff adjustable cock ring should work fine.

>PS - for some time now, I’ve been using a cock ring while having sex. These sessions might last a couple of hours even. The pressure I use is not as extreme as the Uli exercise, but still, I guess the same principle applies here too, and what I’m actually doing is having fun and PEing at the same time. <

To an extent, yes. But the pressure has to be fairly high to get really good gains.

While doing the girth work, I noticed several stages of lateral stretch. First is simply the increase in pressure and ultra swelling of the head. Second is the darkening of the head with tiny bumps on the head. Third is an increased darkening, the bumps disappear and the head becomes shiny. I believe the later part of the second stage, and the third stage is where the marginal lateral stretch of the tunica and head begins.

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I’ll look for a stiff adjustable cock ring.

Anyone reading this can recommend one?

Wow, that sounds pretty scary! Have you ever injured yourself while using it?

You think leather will have the same problem as rubber, being too flexible for completely cutting the back flow?

Braker,

>Wow, that sounds pretty scary! Have you ever injured yourself while using it? <

Yes, everyone reading this needs to understand that this is not for newbies. The lateral bonds of the tunica should be well conditioned by jelqing and manual Ulis before starting this. Also, you need to start slow, and work up slowly with the pressure. However, this is easier to do because tightening the Uli thing you can and should go very slowly.

>You think leather will have the same problem as rubber, being too flexible for completely cutting the back flow?<

It should work.

Bigger

Thanks Bib,

I searched a little for a suitable ring, though most adjustable ones seem to be for use behind the balls, so I think they won’t provide enough pressure for the shaft only.

I’ll go on searching, and if I can’t find anything that’s good enough, I might try to tackle building the thing myself. I was never very talented at building things, but I guess it might be a learning experience.

Anyhow, I’ll keep you posted,

Thanks,

B

Bib….considering they use your alias as a short way of referring to a hanger, anything posted by you is worth reading.

This thread is no exception to the case. It’s definitely a great motivational tool for those of us with little experience in PE to read your Pre and Post PE assessments.

All I have to say in response is, I just hope to God that one day I will be long enough to try that dirtuy sweat pants tactic of yours in one of my classes. ;)

Hey Bib,

I suddenly remembered I already have an adjustable leather cock ring which I bought ages ago in a sex shop over here. I always used it only behind the balls, and assumed it won’t fit on the shaft only. However, I gave it a try this morning, and it did work!

The outside is made of leather, and inside there’s a plastic strap which can be tightened. I did three sets of ten minutes each, tightening it as close to the base as possible. Wow, it was pretty intense!

After tightening more and more, my dick got very pumped, red and hard. I would estimate the hardness as about 90%. It seems I cut all back flow, there was only one time during these 3 sessions which I felt I got a bit softer, but I think it was just because the strap got a bit loose for a second. Apart from this one time, it seems I can walk around and it stays as hard and pumped.

Regarding the stages of lateral stretch: I seem to have got to the second stage of darkening with some bumps on the head. However I haven’t noticed the head become shiny yet. Maybe I need to tighten even more?

How sore, if at all, did you feel during the exercise?

Haven’t used any wrapping yet, so maybe this prevented me from doing the extra needed tightening, though it did feel very tight. I’ll find something to wrap and try it again.

Anyhow, does it sound like I’m in the right direction?