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Consensus On Length Gains?

Originally Posted by A69
My gains are pretty much 100% ligament.
I was lucky enough to gain very easily early on (over 2” in the first year) and since the Mrs was well and truly satisfied, Ive never really done much since and had to worry to much about actually having to work for my gains.

How do I know it was all ligament gains?
Simple. About an inch and half from my pelvis, along the shaft, there is a very distinct “step” where the shaft girth increases. This to me is where the inner shaft has been exposed upto.
I may be wrong about this, but I dont think so.
And before anyone asks, gains came from jelqing (straight down) and later hanging (straight out).
Over the last 15 years Ive lost around 18mm in length (almost 3/4 inch, with zero maintenance), so hear I am again

Thanks for the input A.

During the time that you gained 2 inches in length, did you notice where you felt the strain most while doing your exercises?

Definitely near the base.

Originally Posted by A69
My gains are pretty much 100% ligament.

I would question this. Jelqing works by applying pressure to the inside of the tunica, so any gains made by a jelqing-only routine must needs be tunica gains, unless you’re pulling so hard that you’re stretching the ligaments as well.

I see no way that ligament gains could physically move the penis outward, but perhaps loose ligaments could allow for hanging to elongate the inner penis as well as the outer penis, thus achieving the same effect.

Andy, please forgive me if I’m hijacking your thread. I just happen to be as interested as you are in getting to the bottom of this question.


Then again, I'm a virgin so anything I say might be completely incorrect.

Nothing to forgive mate, we’re all here to help each other.

I do have a progress thread buried somewhere in the progress section if you are interested on exactly what I did and when. I was quite a while ago since Ive posted in it, so Im sure its quite a few pages off the front page.
I didn’t do things like other guys, I just did what I thought would work for me and what I felt was working for me.
For instance, I jelqed totally differently to anyone else I have read. Its complicated, so best to just read the thread, its all in there.
Explains exactly how and what I did. Im too damn old now to remember all the details (doesn’t help that in the mean time I suffered a rather serious head injury that really did screw with my memory, especially my vocabulary, although its much better now), so Im glad that I documented it as it may help someone.

Hey I remember reading your progress thread a while ago! I as well gained really quickly in the first week. I think some of us just walk around with really tight dicks until we discover PE and start stretching them.

After reading it, I still think that you made some ligament gains, but you gained at least as much or more from tunica gains. You can’t pull on your dick for a year and not make it longer lol. I don’t think all you did was just expose more of your dick. I think you actually made it bigger!

Good luck with regaining your length.


Then again, I'm a virgin so anything I say might be completely incorrect.

I believe that I simple way to look at this matter is: A guy that naturally was born with a bigger penis. Is it because he has bigger ligaments or a bigger tunica? I think the answer is tunica. You can have the biggest ligaments in the world, your dick will hang low but it will only be as big as the tunica allows it. Ligaments might benefit to some degree, but the important structure is ultimately the tunica for size.


Period 1: 06/08/2020 BPFSL: 22cm (8.66") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 09/07/2020 BPFSL: 23.9cm (9.40")

Period 2: 05/01/2021 BPFSL: 24cm (9.44") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 07/24/2021 BPFSL: 25.4cm (10.00") BPEL: 23.5cm (9.25")

Goal: 1 Foot x 7.5 Inches (30.48cm x 19.05cm) NBPEL

The suspensory ligament and tunica are contiguous.

So the question is whether stretching the pet that’s in and around the whole shaft or just the part that attaches to the body produces more length gains.

Originally Posted by Phil210
The suspensory ligament and tunica are contiguous.
So the question is whether stretching the pet that’s in and around the whole shaft or just the part that attaches to the body produces more length gains.

That is the question…

Care to add your experience or thoughts on it?

Originally Posted by Phil210

The suspensory ligament and tunica are contiguous.

So the question is whether stretching the pet that’s in and around the whole shaft or just the part that attaches to the body produces more length gains.

We need a like button.

Funny that something that should be so obvious, isnt

Originally Posted by igigi
I believe that I simple way to look at this matter is: A guy that naturally was born with a bigger penis. Is it because he has bigger ligaments or a bigger tunica? I think the answer is tunica. You can have the biggest ligaments in the world, your dick will hang low but it will only be as big as the tunica allows it. Ligaments might benefit to some degree, but the important structure is ultimately the tunica for size.

This does make sense.

What if this lucky guy wants to get bigger? Would he get more from stretching his ligaments or tunica?

Originally Posted by AndyB123
This does make sense.

What if this lucky guy wants to get bigger? Would he get more from stretching his ligaments or tunica?

Tunica.

You penetrate tunica, not ligaments.


Period 1: 06/08/2020 BPFSL: 22cm (8.66") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 09/07/2020 BPFSL: 23.9cm (9.40")

Period 2: 05/01/2021 BPFSL: 24cm (9.44") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 07/24/2021 BPFSL: 25.4cm (10.00") BPEL: 23.5cm (9.25")

Goal: 1 Foot x 7.5 Inches (30.48cm x 19.05cm) NBPEL

Originally Posted by Chonky
I’ve been researching the same thing. It seems to me that ligament gains can add moderate amounts of length by straightening out the inner penis, but tunica gains are the main way to put inches on your dick.

I did some archaeology, and I think a lot of the ligament/tunica confusion stems from how influential Bib was in the early days of this forum, and how completely wrong most of his information was.

Care to expound your statements here? You did not say Bib’s information was wrong, but it was ‘completely wrong’. You did some archaeology you said, want to share it to us?

Originally Posted by igigi
Tunica.

You penetrate tunica, not ligaments.

Good point.

It seems that length gains do stop at some point.

Do you think stretching only tunica is good enough to maximize gains?

What if you spend years stretching your tunica and gains stop, would stretching the ligaments continue the growth?

Originally Posted by tomluciano123
Care to expound your statements here? You did not say Bib’s information was wrong, but it was ‘completely wrong’. You did some archaeology you said, want to share it to us?

To preface this: After I wrote that statement I realized that while loose ligaments give only a little usable-in-sex length, they could make your dick measure much longer if you point it straight downwards. In that light, some of Bib’s statements might go from “completely wrong/lying” to “measuring in a weird way and not telling anyone”.

So the main confusions I think Bib contributed to are:

1: People overestimating how helpful ligament gains are. “Pulling your dick out of your body” makes legitimately zero sense, but people (including me for a while) believe it just because Bib said it and we don’t bother to think about it.

2: People overestimating how much they can gain. The law of diminishing returns applies to every human attribute that can be increased. People gain more muscle in the first 3 years of weight training than in the next 10. It might be possible to gain beyond the 1.5-2 inches that most veterans here reach, but I doubt by much, and it will become exponentially more difficult.

How Bib contributed to the confusion:

1. He claimed to gain 4.5 inches of BPEL. (Again, is he measuring straight down here? That could theoretically add 1-2 inches) I find it highly improbable that while highly intelligent scientists like 5.5Squared and Kyrpa gained only 1.5-2 inches from hanging, Bib was able to more than double their gains by just “doing more volume”. No pictures of his amazing gains, of course. Does the law of diminishing returns not apply to this man? What is the likelihood that the guy who sells his own hanger just “happens” to be a hyper-responder to hanging? (Also applies to DoubleLongDaddy, who is a confirmed liar.)

2. He told people they had much more gaining potential than they actually did. I saw in Ganesh10in’s log that Bib told him he could gain <three point five inches> from ligament loosening. Ganesh (who was naturally very long already) has reached 2.25 inches of total length gained (temporarily).

3. His “Loss of Tugback = Potential Gains” hypothesis. There’s nothing wrong with postulating a hypothesis that turns out to be false, but it definitely added to the confusion. Some guys still believe it to this day.

In general he just promoted ligament gains over tunica gains, and I think that theory is incorrect and thus misleading. On the other hand, he was one of the main pioneers of hanging, and deserves praise for that.

Hard to find information on Bib because he predates this forum.

I think there is a need for a consolidation of the information on this website. I plan to make an “Everything I Know” thread at the end of my PE career, but that’s a long time from now. I have severe ADD so researching for this is rather daunting to me.


Then again, I'm a virgin so anything I say might be completely incorrect.

Originally Posted by Chonky
To preface this: After I wrote that statement I realized that while loose ligaments give only a little usable-in-sex length, they could make your dick measure much longer if you point it straight downwards. In that light, some of Bib’s statements might go from “completely wrong/lying” to “measuring in a weird way and not telling anyone”.

So the main confusions I think Bib contributed to are:

1: People overestimating how helpful ligament gains are. “Pulling your dick out of your body” makes legitimately zero sense, but people (including me for a while) believe it just because Bib said it and we don’t bother to think about it.

2: People overestimating how much they can gain. The law of diminishing returns applies to every human attribute that can be increased. People gain more muscle in the first 3 years of weight training than in the next 10. It might be possible to gain beyond the 1.5-2 inches that most veterans here reach, but I doubt by much, and it will become exponentially more difficult.

How Bib contributed to the confusion:

1. He claimed to gain 4.5 inches of BPEL. (Again, is he measuring straight down here? That could theoretically add 1-2 inches) I find it highly improbable that while highly intelligent scientists like 5.5Squared and Kyrpa gained only 1.5-2 inches from hanging, Bib was able to more than double their gains by just “doing more volume”. No pictures of his amazing gains, of course. Does the law of diminishing returns not apply to this man? What is the likelihood that the guy who sells his own hanger just “happens” to be a hyper-responder to hanging? (Also applies to DoubleLongDaddy, who is a confirmed liar.)

2. He told people they had much more gaining potential than they actually did. I saw in Ganesh10in’s log that Bib told him he could gain <three point five inches> from ligament loosening. Ganesh (who was naturally very long already) has reached 2.25 inches of total length gained (temporarily).

3. His “Loss of Tugback = Potential Gains” hypothesis. There’s nothing wrong with postulating a hypothesis that turns out to be false, but it definitely added to the confusion. Some guys still believe it to this day.

In general he just promoted ligament gains over tunica gains, and I think that theory is incorrect and thus misleading. On the other hand, he was one of the main pioneers of hanging, and deserves praise for that.

Hard to find information on Bib because he predates this forum.

I think there is a need for a consolidation of the information on this website. I plan to make an “Everything I Know” thread at the end of my PE career, but that’s a long time from now. I have severe ADD so researching for this is rather daunting to me.

Those are excellent observations Chonky.

Bib was a proponent of lig gains. So are a lot of other guys though. Just because Bib can presumably be discredited, it doesn’t mean that working the ligaments is time wasted in our endeavor.

Could there be a combination of ligament and tunica work that results in the most effective length gains?

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