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Consensus On Length Gains?

Do we gain more from stretching our ligaments or from stretching the tunica? Or both?

I have been reading through numerous threads and there are all sorts of varying opinions. Some guys swear that you have to stretch both. While others are certain on one or the other while arguing against the other.

It seems there are a lot of scientific facts to back up both. I think it would be helpful to know which to stretch, when and why, for guys who have plateaued on length gains.

What are your opinions on where to focus your stretch?

I’ve been researching the same thing. It seems to me that ligament gains can add moderate amounts of length by straightening out the inner penis, but tunica gains are the main way to put inches on your dick.

I did some archaeology, and I think a lot of the ligament/tunica confusion stems from how influential Bib was in the early days of this forum, and how completely wrong most of his information was.


Then again, I'm a virgin so anything I say might be completely incorrect.

Originally Posted by Chonky
I’ve been researching the same thing. It seems to me that ligament gains can add moderate amounts of length by straightening out the inner penis, but tunica gains are the main way to put inches on your dick.

So… Maybe a stupid question. I did not know there were different ways to stretch. How do you know if you are stretching ligaments or tunica?

Which PE would be recommended to target those specific areas???

Thank you brothers.


Just want to be happily me. ;)

Start: BPEL 6.3" EG 5.1"

Now: BPEL 7.5" EG 5.7" Goal: MORE

Originally Posted by Mrcsmxx
So… Maybe a stupid question. I did not know there were different ways to stretch. How do you know if you are stretching ligaments or tunica?

Which PE would be recommended to target those specific areas???

By “ligaments” we mean specifically the Suspensory Ligament, which attaches the top of the penis to the pelvis. The goal is to loosen it, so that the penis is further away from the body = inner penis is less curved = a bit more length. Anything downward or backwards should stretch it. I doubt this will add more than half an inch or so.

The Tunica is the collagen/elastin “body” of the penis. Stretching it will cause it to grow, directly making the penis longer. Any type of stretching should stretch the tunica.

Hard for me to speak on this because of how new I am to PE, but I’m fairly sure this is correct.


Then again, I'm a virgin so anything I say might be completely incorrect.

So I guess most all PE works in the tunica except downward stretches?

I guess I am very new still myself. Haha.

Thank you so much bough for that detailed description. I am not going to lie, I will have to read that a few more times just to fully understand and resting that.

Thanks Chonky!!


Just want to be happily me. ;)

Start: BPEL 6.3" EG 5.1"

Now: BPEL 7.5" EG 5.7" Goal: MORE

It seems hard for anyone to say one or the other absolutely.

I have read opinions of hangers where they say all of their gains came from stretching the ligaments.

Hanging differs from manuals in this sense because when hanging, you should feel the stretch where ever is giving the most resistance. For some guys this might be the ligaments.

When doing manual stretching, it can be hard to tell where you have the most resistance. Also, manuals allow you to target specific areas.

From the very beginning of my PE journey I have the impression that intense stretches hit exactly and mainly the ligaments. You feel it right there, there is a tension, I can even feel wether it is on the left or right side according to where I pull my penis. Also stretching upwards or to the front hits a different spot. I feel it all down there. Also after repeated stretching a soreness remains there, even up the scale to pain in that very area.

My flaccid increased noticeably when doing those stretches repeatedly, several times a day. When having a break of several days the length doesn’t remain the same, but some gain becomes permanent. I swear, I made over half of my length gains this way, because it was all I knew and did for years. In my experience stretching ligaments is easier than tunica, because their tissue is different, much tougher.

Different statements may refer to different observations and individually differing response. That doesn’t mean some are right, others wrong.


Stats: 06/2011: BPEL: 13 cm; MSEG: 10 cm; 04/2022: BPEL: 20 cm; MSEG: 14 cm

Goal would be: BPEL: 20 cm => reached 03/2022; MSEG: 15 cm

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Originally Posted by Bangel77
Different statements may refer to different observations and individually differing response. That doesn’t mean some are right, others wrong.

I agree.

It depends on the individual. Just like everything else we do here.

I would like to know how to maximize the use of both.

To clarify: in my personal PE journey I only care about <usable erect length between the angles of (straight up) and (straight out)>, but there is another aspect I failed to consider.

Loose ligaments add more length at lower angles. For me personally, a very loose suspensory ligament would add 0 inches when my dick is pointed upwards, 0.5-0.7 inches when pointed straight out, and 1-2 inches when pointed straight down. This would make the penis appear larger if you have a low erection angle (which you would get from loosening your ligaments). By the same principle, loosening ligaments will increase flaccid length.

So maybe “ligament gains” aren’t bunk after all. It’s just that past a certain point they aren’t usable in sex. Very interesting.


Then again, I'm a virgin so anything I say might be completely incorrect.

I got away from stretching after my first year of PE. I gained .5”, but I was already ok with my BPEL. I’m now 7.375” when 100% EQ. I took a 2 month decon in November & December.

I started back with newbie routine in January. Gradually increasing in time and adding pumping and clamping.

So I’m almost 4 months in. The past month or so I’ve really focused on manual stretching, including lots of BTC stretching. Some days 2-3 hours a day. I do believe doing the BTC stretching has given me the majority of my base girth gains, which is approximately .75”, now 5.25”. Problem is MEG hasn’t gained at all, 5”.

So far, all I’ve gained after decon is about .25” in BPSFL. Which I know is a good indicator of future BPEL gains.

My question to the forum, which exercises are best to work the tunica? I think I’m probably close to maxing out ligament gains.


Start 8/15/18-BPEL-6.75” MEG-4.625”

2/17/20-BPEL-7.125” MEG-5”

Goal- 8”x5.5”

Originally Posted by Lookinforgirth
My question to the forum, which exercises are best to work the tunica? I think I’m probably close to maxing out ligament gains.

I’m gonna start heated hanging once I max out my ligament gains.


Then again, I'm a virgin so anything I say might be completely incorrect.

Originally Posted by Lookinforgirth

My question to the forum, which exercises are best to work the tunica? I think I’m probably close to maxing out ligament gains.

If you are going to stick with a manual routine, I would say fulcrum stretches are my favorite.

I’ve heard a lot about the fulcrum stretches. But never really learned proper way to do them. Will have to use search function, to actually learn the way to do them.


Start 8/15/18-BPEL-6.75” MEG-4.625”

2/17/20-BPEL-7.125” MEG-5”

Goal- 8”x5.5”

Originally Posted by Chonky
By “ligaments” we mean specifically the Suspensory Ligament, which attaches the top of the penis to the pelvis. The goal is to loosen it, so that the penis is further away from the body = inner penis is less curved = a bit more length. Anything downward or backwards should stretch it. I doubt this will add more than half an inch or so.

The Tunica is the collagen/elastin “body” of the penis. Stretching it will cause it to grow, directly making the penis longer. Any type of stretching should stretch the tunica.

Hard for me to speak on this because of how new I am to PE, but I’m fairly sure this is correct.

Good breakdown, and I love the “signature” or whatever that’d be called below each of your comments.

My gains are pretty much 100% ligament.
I was lucky enough to gain very easily early on (over 2” in the first year) and since the Mrs was well and truly satisfied, Ive never really done much since and had to worry to much about actually having to work for my gains.

How do I know it was all ligament gains?
Simple. About an inch and half from my pelvis, along the shaft, there is a very distinct “step” where the shaft girth increases. This to me is where the inner shaft has been exposed upto.
I may be wrong about this, but I dont think so.
And before anyone asks, gains came from jelqing (straight down) and later hanging (straight out).
Over the last 15 years Ive lost around 18mm in length (almost 3/4 inch, with zero maintenance), so hear I am again

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