Desperate to clamp...

My TheraP wrist-wraps and Cable Clamps arrived

I tried it out and I love clamping :thumbs:

But the thing is, I haven’t reached my length goal yet :( (so I’m holding off on the clamping)

I’ve been hanging every hour of every day possible, and I’ve found it pretty uncomfortable, especially on the skin when hanging sets all day (by comparison, clamping is heaven)

Whats more, I’ve found that most of the stress and strain of hanging - in terms of discomfort - is focused on the skin just below the head, and I’ve just acquired a new surgical scar right at that point (which also makes my Penimaster usage more uncomfortable).

In short, I’m not enjoying my length work as much as I used to (but I love the gains:hearton: ).

Ironically, I want to clamp so much that it’s motivating me to intensify my length work (so that I can finally get it done and get to working on girth.)

I’m wondering what the thoughts of other members are on this topic.

Tragically, the lure of the clamp will prove too much and you will become consumed in a world of girth..mark my words..:nodding:

Just start working length and girth at the same time. I always have.

I don’t doubt it— I’ve literally had to almost meditate on the idea of sticking with length gains over girth just to keep myself motivated towards the length work (luckily I’ve got a ‘reality-site’ porn-short featuring an actress who looks like she’s getting her CDS nailed for the first time and her reactions are keeping me on track.)

I’ve always thought that girth hindered length gains— have you found that to be true?

I’m reluctant to do any girth work (even jelqing) because I want to reach my length goal as soon as possible.

I spend more than twice the amount of time on girth than I do on length. Hasn’t hurt my length gains.

Mr. Fantastic:
Ha! This is just what I’ve been waiting to see. Someone who doesn’t even jelq and is getting gains from just hanging! Perfect. You’ve made my day Mr. Fantastic; I’ve asked around before and everyone said just to work on girth and length routines at the same time, but due to the old rumour girth work hinders length gains I’ve been doing half-assed 5 minute clamping sessions for a couple weeks along with constant hanging like what your routine says (except I use a Wench).

Just what I needed to see; that it’s possible to gain with no focus on girth work at all. And you even improved girth from hanging alone. This makes my day :cancer:

If you don’t mind the off-topic question, how long have you been doing 500 minute long hanging sessions? All year since you started? Or did you just recently move up to that?

Peter Dick:
Hmm, Mr. Fantastic had both girth and length gains from just hanging, and you’ve had similar results from doing twice as much girth worth and length.

Jelqing, clamping or both? If you do clamping, how much total time under the clamp per day?

Bloody hell, maybe it’s time to stop thinking about this fickle witchcraft of PE and just do whatever you feel like when you’ve got the time.

Click my link for “The Peter Dick method”

I’ve seen all the evidence I need. In PE, if you stop and think, you’re doing something wrong.

Clamp, hang, whatever. All it wants is to feel the burn. Thank you class you are excused, please pick up your diplomas on your way out of the lecture hall.

I want to clamp also, I love the thick feeling when the girth has had a hit.

Will it stop length gains also? I have a theory this is just that, a theory and clamping might kick-start everything else! But that is probably just a half-baked theory from myself.

Carry on.

Well, I do recall reading some research from one of the more science-minded members of this forum (whoever’s the one that has the anime avatar character that looks like Washu…).

His theory (which I may not be summarizing correctly) was that, with every temporary Tunica gain you get from pretty much all these exercises, your Corpus Cavernosum needs enough attention given to it so that it can catch up to each microgain you get from a length session.

It’s a kind of slow motion potato sack race. One foot in the sack belongs to the Tunica, the other belongs to the Corpus Cavernosum. Whenever one moves outward, the other needs to move with it or you trip and lose time healing the one that got too much solo attention rather than healing each of them bit by bit so they’re both progressing outward together.

Hanging stretches everything (as seemingly evidenced by Mr. F’s gains of both length and girth with primarily just hanging), but we know it emphasizes Tunica and Lig work over Corpus Cavernosum stretching. So, perhaps, adding the right balance of extra girth work from clamping or jelqing to your hang time may move you closer to your ideal gain rate.

It’s theorized that too much strain on one (Tunica/Ligs or Corpus Cavernosum) without enough backing up from the other means the faster one has to heal over itself while waiting for the other to catch up.

Or that’s what I got out of it anyway.

Ditto!

Absolutely— I jelqed a little during my first year of PE but apart from that I’ve done no other girth-work (apart from clamping for about seven sets over the last week to see what it was like)

Also— I’ve always had a natural baseball-bat but now my base-girth is the wides part of my shaft and I’m sure that’s definitely from the hanging (hanging is notable both for length gains and for adding base girth)

I’ve used a Penimaster extensively also, and it has, without a doubt, added to my girth gains.

I don’t record total time spent hanging (maybe you have me confused with another member), I just try to get as close as I possibly can to consistent twenty-minute sets at ten-minute intervals across the whole day. I’ve habitualised the processes involved so that it’s as easy as it can be, and I’m not strict with myself as to exact timing as that’d make it too much of a drag and I’d stop (it’s uncomfortable enough hanging all day as it is (but don’t get me wrong I love the gains :hearton: ))

I hung quite a lot during the first year of PE although not consistently because I’ve had a lot of trouble with my hanger— basically I broke it, so it’s interrupted my hanging (I think most of my newbie gains came from the Penimaster and pulling jelq-squeezes towards the floor with a Power-jelq (I skipped the newbie routine in favour of a Penimaster and a Power-jelq :rolleyes: )

Simultaneous Length & Girth Work

I’m not sure that it’s that straight-forward (: —but it’s true that no one ever gained by just thinking about PE.

Who knows? Maybe clamping is like a mini shock-routine.

As for girth-gains inhibiting length-gains, I think there may be some truth to it, but the key question is ‘how much truth?’ (i.e. how much is extra girth going to affect the speed of your length-gains?)…

…this question relates - I think - to the question of how much weight a hanger has to hang to see results:

The long term PEers (the PE vets) have to hang heavier and heavier weights to see ongoing results ((unless they take regular deconditioning breaks)). This is, theoretically, attributable to at least two factors:

1. The more length and girth you gain the more mass there is through which to distribute the forces (weight/traction/pressure etc.) Plus, the mass itself may become more dense —meaning even more force may be required.

2. The more intense your routine the tougher the collagen gets (i.e. at higher intensities it meshes in a way intended to protect the tissues from a ‘perceived’ acute-injury/emergency/threat etc. thereby creating a vicious-circle for length-gains ((the answer being a deconditioning break etc.))

So I’m guessing the question of the extent to which girth will effect length-gains depend on (at least) two factors:

A. The size & density of the combined mass of tissues to which you’re applying the force (The larger the area/mass/density of the tissue to be ‘treated’ then the more intense (heavier/stronger) the forces applied to it have to be)

B. The constitution of the collagen created in response to the ‘micro-injuries’ caused by the application of the forces (weight/traction/pressure etc.), which will be more-or-less dependent on the types of exercises utilised and the intensity at which they’re applied.

The guys who build their routines on the theories behind deconditioning breaks work on both girth and length simultaneously and still make good gains in both areas.

At the moment I’m restricting my PE to hanging and ADS but I have used a Power-jelq in the past, focusing its usage on jelq-squeezes at 50% erection level & stretching towards the floor (for length).

I think this is a great question with regards improving gain-rates. If this were true and we could work out an ideal balance between length-work & girth-work we could increase the speed of both girth-gains & length-gains considerably.

Can you post the link to that thread? —it sounds interesting, although I’d be inclined to believe that everything gets worked at once, after all they’re all parts of the same structure— even though, I’d like to see the thread and hear the theories. If it turns out to be true there may be much faster gains to be made.

It’s an interesting theory— if correct it would mean that we should all be doing at least a little girth-work in order to increase our length-gains.

I’d like to hear more about this. I’d be curious to find out how he came to those conclusions— do you have the link?

Can I really increase the speed of my length-gains by adding girth-work to my routine?

I’d be reluctant to take time away from length-work to give to girth-work to try and prove the theory, because that might have a two-fold negative affect on my length-gains (i.e. less time spent working for length and more mass to contend with as a result —that might very well be a double whammy for my length gain-rate).

Would it be true to say that adding girth-work to a length routine might increase length-gains just enough to neutralise the effect of re-distributing the time originally spent on length-work?

If so, that would mean that if we found the correct balance we could maintain the rate of our length-gains but gain bonus girth along the way, at least in the short term (any increase in mass - in theory - is eventually going to slow gains (in accordance with hypothesis number 2 above))

Of course this is all conjecture, but interesting nonetheless. I for one would love to have the answers to the above.

I think what you’re saying about how everything in the penis has to ultimately be stretched for the size to increase is more true for flaccid gains than erect gains, as the change of a penis’s erect size and shape, as opposed to while being flaccid, is based almost exclusively on the tunica, CC and CS.

It was ModestoMan who I was meaning to refer to. Here are some links with plenty of clinical jargon the farther you go into them:
Why gains slow!
Penis lengthening like bone lengthening?
CC "Struts" may limit girth growth

Those links don’t directly answer your questions I’m afraid, and I swear I once read a specific discussion on this issue a few months back, but I suppose only through asking or PMing ModestoMan would you get the most definitive answer for what you seek.

Here are a few quotes from some of the articles he posted in the above links:

"…The CC tissues were carefully dissected free from the surrounding tunica albuginea…"

Meaning the CC and the tunica are physically attached to one another (thus their dependency on each other).

"The tunica was made up of undulating bundles of collagen fibrils which were arranged in inner circular, middle intermingled and outer longitudinal layers… These architectural features of the collagen fibrils seem to be related to fluctuations in the diameter and shape of the corpus during erection…"

Meaning the elasticity of the tunica is the limiting factor of how much the CC chambers can expand when erect. The more tunica, the more space for the CC chambers to fill, assuming the CC chambers are capable of expanding enough (have been exercised enough) to fill around the tunica to the maximum capacity.

When you think about it, if the tunica is capable of flexing more distance than the CC chambers are capable of filling while erect (from extensive tunica stretching), then you’re already missing some erect length and girth potential and working on Uli’s and jelqs would logically be the right path to take to even the gains.

If it’s the CC’s that are pushing the limits of the tunica’s elasticity, then elongating the tunica would theoretically give you the quick gains while doing more CC exercises at this stage would probably only serve for circumference/girth work. Continued CC exercise at this point may bulk so much spongy material around the tunica that it becomes progressively harder and harder to isolate the tunica inside of all the sponge for length work. This would help to explain why way too much girth labor over tunica work ultimately inhibits length gains.

In martial arts this same scenario happens frequently, where the student in question has been in the gym bulking up muscle mass but has largely ignored their stretches and dexterity work. Essentially, they’re at a loss in matches because their muscles have bulked around their ligaments so much they can’t stretch as effectively as their opponent and they’re now stuck being marginalized as having to rely on up-close brute force alone. Speed, reach ability, dexterity, all of which rely on elasticity, are irrevocably their weak points until they lose the excessive muscle mass.

Male gymnasts have specific training regimens they literally HAVE to follow in order to avoid just such a scenario.

Back on topic, when you consider that the tunica and the CC chambers are made of different materials it follows that they will have different levels of toughness; each would have a different exercise need to fulfill. And considering different PE exercises put more or less emphasis on one or the other at a time, I suppose that’s how I got the "potato sack race" idea in my head. It could be that hanging down low puts proportionally more stress on the CC’s than the tunica, and hanging inverted V stretches puts proportionally more stress on the tunica than the CC’s. But who knows really.

Mr fantastic good post. I like people who know the words for shit and explain this to me!

Totaly unrelated question, how do I change font and colour, and put links to other pages in my posts. Someone PM me don’t wanna hijack.

I clamp, pump, hang, so I have to take a day off for the skin to recuperate a little