Files of a NON Gainer

I started typing this a few days ago, so forgive me if some of my comments are jumbled up or not in good order.

My comments in the “johndough” thread sparked some interest in people. Some were upset at my skepticism while others were intrigued by my apparent inability to gain via PE. I’ve answered quite a few PMs about it lately. It seems like I have not done a very good job of describing my personal details. I’m happy that a small drove of folks have gone out of their way to try to help me. But I guess it might be important that you all understand with what I’m working with. So, here’s my file. I’ve tried to be as detailed as possible with this.

BPEL: Depends on how I measure.
With a ruler and positioned vertically straight over top of my penis: 6.313”
With a ruler and positioned horizontally straight over top my penis: 6.250”
With a 1/8” thick dowel rod (which I found more of a consistent measurement – not necessarily accurate to size though: 6.438”
(These measurements are all take standing up, as straight up as possible, back against my closet door, no leaning forward or back)
NBPEL: about 6” (very little fat pad)

GIRTH:
Base: 4.50” but tough not to get some of the balls
Exact Mid-Point: 4.313”
Circumcision scar: 4.438”
Directly under the glans: 4.25”
(I don’t know if this has always been the case. When I started, I never bothered to measure more than the mid-point)

FLACCID:
Length: varies greatly. Sometimes I can hang around 5” and other days I’m lucky to get 2”.
Girth: depends on the day as well. Average is probably around 4” thick, maybe slightly less at times.

BPFSL: approximately 1/4” larger than my BPEL (and the same no matter which of the 3 ways above that I measure). I’m not sure how this has progressed. It’s safe to say that it has grown maybe 1/8” at the absolute most in the past 12 months.

EQ: Um, insanely high. 10/10 mostly. I can get an erection when I want, where I want, and have it last for as long as I want it. If it drops, I’ve never noticed it. Sometimes I go through stages where I am less aroused, but that’s an overall feeling and I doubt it is a result of dropped EQ.

More Details?
I don’t have much of a curve. It curves upward slightly and ever so slightly to the left. The curve to the left is kind of a delusion though because my girth seems to sink in at the mid point on the left side.

Cord?
I’m not even sure how to find this or what I’m looking for. Maybe I have it, maybe I don’t. MRI anyone?

The best way I can describe what I feel inside my penis. I have the skin layer. Directly under this is what I would describe as a tube that runs all of the way down the length of my shaft. There are certain areas where it feels like it sinks in and on the top-right side there is an area where it feels like a thin piece of string is running down the tube (but I only feel this when I stretch).

What have I done?

(1) I never stuck to the newbie routine long. Maybe a few weeks tops? Pathetic, I know. After about 2-3 weeks of it, I got pissed that I hadn’t gained an inch. So, I abandoned it in search of something different. And this is basically what I have done ever since.

(2) Jelqing – tried to perfect it. Different grips, strengths, erection levels, days on/days off, watching P.I.s, measuring BPFSL daily, dry or wet – I tried to make it a science. I got great vibes from it – great flaccid hang and incredible erections (not too dissimilar from standard though). I had periods where I was measuring some minor gains. But they never lasted. They’d disappear by the time I measured again.

(3) Stretching – never given it much of a go. I don’t enjoy it, at all. It used to cause me pain, but it doesn’t anymore.
What bothers me the most about stretching is that no matter how I stretch, how long I do it, and how intensely I do, my BPFSL is NEVER EVER longer when I’m done than it was before I started. This bothers me.

(4) Pumping – did it, consistently, extremely consistently, for 3 months straight. I lost 1/4” in BPEL from this. I used anywhere from 4hg to 7hg of force when I did it. That’s probably too much but it never caused me discomfort or pain. And I never saw drops in my P.I.s from this.

(5) Clamping, squeezes, Ulis, etc – I’ve tossed all of them around, but never consistently. When I clamped, I saw great expansion – about 3/8” in the mid shaft. But I could NEVER get a comfortable wrap. The clamps would slip after about 2-3 minutes and it really pissed me off. Plus, it was making me jerk off too much.

Other Notes:

- I have never done hanging – and I don’t plan to either. It’s not a viable option for me with privacy issues. I’m not interested in it at all.

- I think too much – clearly.

- It might be fair to say that I have never stuck to the same routine for more than a month. I always read about how if you haven’t gained something in a month’s time with your routine, then you won’t. I don’t know how accurate that is, but I’ve adhered to it.

Right Now:
I’ve been doing fulcrum stretches – trying to hit all points of my tunica. I feel a good stretch – but like I said above – my BPFSL is no longer when I’m done. It doesn’t budge. If anything, it’s shorter.

Skepticisms:

Yeah, I’m skeptical of a lot of things. But let me make something clear: I BELIEVE PE WORKS. It just hasn’t worked for me. I’m not sure how long I’m willing to wait either. I’m in the stages of my life where I DO have time on my hands to devote to this – but not much. Things will eventually change. And when it comes to finding time, staying in shape will take precedent over PE if I’m still struggling at that point.

I started in January of 2009 – so I’ve been at this for roughly 2 years with NO gains. How confident am I of that? Not extremely – because I have seen pictures of my old unit and it does look different. Not necessarily longer, but it does look thicker. Not much, but it does. I have not been extremely consistent with measuring, especially in the first year. I’m willing to concede that I may have gained 1/4” in BPEL and 1/8” in girth.

THERE GUYS – Now have at it.

Number One rule please: do NOT tell me to hang. I’m not interested in it. If it’s a common trend that most of you think without hanging I’m going nowhere (like one person told me in PM), then I guess I’m going nowhere – because I aint fucking doing it. Not right now anyway.

I personally didn`t ever follow the newbie routine and gained an inch in 8 months or so by stretching mechanically.

Why I think is that each dick is different enough to react slightly differently to the same routine, and some are so different that you get vastly different results.

Your results from doing the things you have been doing for the last two years are clear. Next to nothing.

This tells you a number of things.

1) You know a lot about what doesn`t work for your dick.

2) your are persistent in spite of the results so far.

3) you haven`t found what works for your dick yet.

4) you can switch the determination you have for not giving up, not failing and so on, to finding new ways to make your dick bigger and maintaining that drive to not fail.

And you already know this works, you said it yourself.

It seems like you need to strech your tunica since it is super thought, your 10/10 EQ and hardness is a hint of that, what about the TGC theory?.

Some people are not skeptic enough. You’re not one of them. I’m sure you, as I, have noticed that you can fool yourself thinking you have made gains by looking at the ruler from different angles. I think that’s why so many people say they’ve gained around 1cm. Because that’s the kind of gain you can make yourself believe just by looking from different angles. The real gainers are those who’ve made gains big enough to ensure it’s not just wishful thinking.

Don’t give up though. Find a routine and stick with it.

To the TS, I would absolutely not heed this advice. If you can get 10/10 EQ anytime you want, the last you need to do is “stretch the tunica” to the point where you’re not able to achieve a maximum erection. Since when did 100% EQ become a bad thing???

When the penis grows, EQ drops since the soft muscle tissue needs to expand to the new volume and fill more levels of blood.

I think that gathor wants to grow, he can regain his EQ later with a bigger unit and excellent EQ.

Scientific source?

Just be careful, hurting your EQ in hopes of getting it back after making gains can backfire. In the end, functionality is more important than size. The vast majority of women would prefer a cock that gets diamond hard over a weak, floppy dick that’s a little bigger.

I’d say a low EQ is more likely as a result of smooth muscle fatigue where it cannot relax fully to allow full CS engorgement. Gator, it sounds to me like you’ve done most of the things newbies are recommended against doing. You’ve left out stretching, which in relation to your tunica seems ill-advised. I’d recommend getting a silicon ADS, I can both use this as a manual stretcher, a hanging system and an ADS.

I just keep seeing this trend of people who don’t hang and don’t gain - length or girth. There really could be something to it. I’m scared of hanging too, and like you, I haven’t really gained (my EQ was low at first, and PE increased that, but nothing beyond that).

UFGator, just a quick point: you shouldn’t expect to see your BPFSL being increased after manual stretches. This short term increase can instead be seen after wearing an extender or hanging and is due to the low prolonged force applied; but it is not necessarily a sign of future gains, just a visco-elastic phenomenon - kinda you can stretch more because connective tissue is more relaxed.

Good point. Gator, it sounds to me like you’ve been discouraged a great deal and have flitted from method to method without any real perseverance. A lot of your observed failures stem from a lack of almost instant or short-term gains.

My experience has been the same as marinera’s. I will often see a temporary increase in BPFSL of 1/16” or even up to 1/8” after hanging or use of an extender, but not after even a prolonged series of stretches.

It seems from my reading that even some long-term pumpers do not believe it results in permanent gains. Those who do feel they have achieved permanent gains have typically done it for more than 3 months, and girth gains seem to be reported much more frequently than length gains.

Small gains in girth may be hard to document by measuring but can have a significant effect on how your cock looks and feels and its volume.

Jelqing has resulted in substantial length gains for some, but not for all. If you are one of the people who don’t gain length through jelqing, I would point out that you really haven’t done much that is proven to be generally effective for length gains, having done little stretching in the past.

Have you considered trying an extender? I understand your reluctance to hang. I have done it for over a year and have mixed feelings about it. An extender allows a bit more mobility. You might even be able to do some of the lighter portion of your workout at home with one on, say dumbell exercises for arms and shoulders.

Point taken marinera, thank you :)

I can’t argue with that. But it’s kind of hard to think in terms of short-term anymore. I’m onto year 3 now with so little success, if any. The entire process has now become more about “gaining something” rather than having any specific number goals. Goal setting just set me up for disappointment.

Yep, I agree. Although we can’t say for certain, but I think my situation might be slightly different had I stuck it out with manual stretches for a good period of time. But, I never did. Now I’m just afraid that all of the jelqing has conditioned my unit beyond it’s already apparent tough make-up.

Extenders? Almost bought one once but haven’t given it much thought lately. Maybe in the future - but I’ve read a lot of hard gainers not getting anywhere with them too. So, I don’t know. I’m concerned that I would get annoyed with it not being comfortable and end up trashing the thing.