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Flaccid Gains

In the past, I achieved flaccid gains primarily through a manual routine. I didn’t use pumps, ADS, or stretchers, but focused heavily on stretching exercises. I believe that, regardless of genetic predisposition, flaccid gains are mainly obtained through stretching. In my case, I gained about 0.47 inches in length and 0.31 inches in flaccid size after one month of training.


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After a year of PE I noticed the best Flaccid gains when doing ADS on my off routine days. I would say 15-20 hrs of ADS did the best for me in addition to my routine.

Gain Phases And Growth Rates

So if we look at the phases and rates of growth, logic will say that there will be faster gainers and slower gainers. There will also likely be a few that don’t gain, and a few that have rapid initial gains.

Sticking with the theory that Show-ers gain: stretched, normal flaccid, max flaccid then erect, through each but concurrently.

So from a non-conditioned state and using the previously estimated/experienced time frames, a committed participant can start to see measurable gains in their normal flaccid hang in 2 - 6 months. These will then start to translate into erect gains in 6 - 12 months from starting their campaign.

Length, Girth And Reduction Factors

Most people start with a goal to get; length, girth, both etc. Gains will mostly come in your focus dimension, but you will also experience growth in the other dimension as well. So if you focus on length, the gains will predominantly be in length, but you will also see girth gains. These could be just in the flaccid or in the erect or in both.

I experienced a growth reduction going through the different phases of flaccid(s) to erect. So for example, when I saw a 0.5 inch increase in SFL, I saw a little bit of increase in flaccid length, approximately 0.25 inches, then it ultimately translated into a little less than 0.25 in erect length. That seemed to be the culmination of that growth cycle or event, because I did not see any additional growth in flaccid(s) or erect until the SFL jumped again. It should be noted that I kept the same routine.

There also appears to be a reduction factor in ultimate gains over time. When I plot my gains and look at a specific interval, the next interval goes longer than the previous one for the same gain amount, or stated differently, I didn’t gain as much in that cycle. So if I gained 0.5 inches (erect) in 6 months, the next 6 months only produced a gain of 0.3 inches. So the growth rate slows over time. Right now I use a 40% growth reduction factor (from my initial gain rate) when estimating gains vs time. Right now that seems to work, but I think that will need to increase over time.

I did manual & hanging for years with very few flaccid gains. Growing up I had an acorn cock / grower, not a shower. My flaccid definitely improved, but nothing like it is now.

I’ve been pumping around 10 months and all my flaccid gains came in that time. My flaccid generally stays beyond 5" it’s a world of difference vs the old days where my dick would shrivel to 1" or 2" depending on how cold I was. Right after pumping my flaccid is bigger than my starting size (6.5x5 vs 6 x4.88 starting) ..

My wife noticed after about 3 months of pumping my package was staying way bigger.

So for me, only pumping really delivered on flaccid gains, nothing else did much.


then: 6" BPEL, 4.88" MSEG, 4.88" BEG

now: 7.625" BPEL, 5.5" MSEG, 6.5" BEG

Originally Posted by ImNormoEquipped
In the past, I achieved flaccid gains primarily through a manual routine. I didn’t use pumps, ADS, or stretchers, but focused heavily on stretching exercises. I believe that, regardless of genetic predisposition, flaccid gains are mainly obtained through stretching. In my case, I gained about 0.47 inches in length and 0.31 inches in flaccid size after one month of training.

ImNormoEquipped: thanks for the response. Can I ask: are you a grower or show-er and did erect gains take longer than flaccid gains?

Originally Posted by blink2000
I did manual & hanging for years with very few flaccid gains. Growing up I had an acorn cock / grower, not a shower. My flaccid definitely improved, but nothing like it is now.

Blink: thanks for the response. Can I ask if you saw erect gains faster than seeing the flaccid gains?

Originally Posted by Tomcurti
Great thread! Hoping that some of the still active members jump in with any new insights. Kind of seems like we have theories and anecdotal evidence, but still are not certain about what happens with PE and with ways to optimize gains. In reading all of the new and old threads, it seems like we cycle through the same concepts with the serious members every 5 ish or so years, but without much more clarity.

I think we are better equipped now with our programs and concepts of heat, rest and recovery, but still don’t have a clear way to be able to say what stage we are in and what happens next, kind of like a guide that works for “most people”. Still have people struggle, doubt and get mad about if PE is even possible. Still have a lot of people start, stop, rinse repeat and only attain marginal gains. Still have members imply that others are lying. I don’t think we will ever overcome that, but for the serious (or more determined) participants, I wish we knew more.

I was a serious participant who documented every minute of my traction stretching. I stretched for 776 hours in 9 months with zero gains. I gave up after that. I used heat sporadically so that is about all I could do better at. I stretched at the maximum tension and would take 2 rest days a week. I did 4 hour sessions each time. Disheartening to have seen zero gains.

Originally Posted by Brokedesign
I was a serious participant who documented every minute of my traction stretching. I stretched for 776 hours in 9 months with zero gains. I gave up after that. I used heat sporadically so that is about all I could do better at. I stretched at the maximum tension and would take 2 rest days a week. I did 4 hour sessions each time. Disheartening to have seen zero gains.


Yup. I used an extender for well over 500 hrs with no gains. All my gains came from pumping (air pumping). What works for one guy may not work for another; you may need to try out other techniques to find what works for you.

Note: I also tried hanging with fir and had good bpfsl gains, but didnt stick with it long enough to translate to bpel gains.


Initial: 7” BPEL; 6” NBPEL; 5.25” - 5.5” MEG

Current: 7-7/8” BPEL; 7-3/8” NBPEL; 8.5” BPFSL; 6.5” MEG; 6”x5” Flaccid.

Goal: Improved/consistent EQ while managing ED. Secondary: maintain current stats.

Originally Posted by 32quarters
Yup. I used an extender for well over 500 hrs with no gains. All my gains came from pumping (air pumping). What works for one guy may not work for another; you may need to try out other techniques to find what works for you.

Note: I also tried hanging with fir and had good bpfsl gains, but didnt stick with it long enough to translate to bpel gains.

I too tried a lot of different techniques until I landed on hanging with a Glans hanger.

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