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I just used those as an example, You’re right, the same size seems more reasonable.
Need to find some here in my country and figure out the best for me.
About folding - you fold them im half, one side to another, a bit like this rubber on vacuum cup?
Here’s how girth work might help (keep in mind it is just a hypothesis):You might try soft clamping with silicone toe shields. Get a 10 pack, fold them in half, get erect, start stacking them on top of each other at the base while kegeling in blood. At some point it gets really tight and a bit uncomfortable. Once you’re happy with the expansion and the number of shields resulting in compression (I use 8-10) then set a timer for 10 minutes and stop kegeling blood in. No fresh blood is important because hypoxia is a cell-signal for growth factor release, as long as it doesn’t go on too long.
Be sure to remove them after 10 minutes to prevent fibroisis and transient nerve desensitization.
I typically do 2-3 sets most days a week, which is probably overkill. You can play around with frequency.
The idea is that the transient hypoxia leads to hypertrophy of the cavernosal structures, essentially filling in the cavernosa with more tissue. Theoretically this could lead to BPEL getting closer to BPEL.
I’ve noticed my girth has gone up with this technique, especially flaccid girth, and my penis feels much weightier. Like actually heavy. I’m way more a shower than I’ve ever been.
My BPEL and my BPFSL aren’t equalized but close. Not sure if this is why.
It could be that this filing out of CC tissue decreases overall penile stretchiness, so the equalization might be more about my BPFSL being less than it otherwise would, but my girth, erectile function overall size makes it seem worth it, whatever the case. And I’m still making gains on my elongation training.
I am going to try this at some point… I admit doing things like this scares me a bit, but it’s only because I’ve not done any real girth work yet, even though I’ve done PE for years (other than jelqs/ water pumping).
then: 6" BPEL, 4.88" MSEG, 4.88" BEG
now: 7.625" BPEL, 5.5" MSEG, 6.5" BEG
Yes, something like these. One thing to be aware of is that I’ve bought a couple of different brands and found some I like a bit more than others. There is a sweet spot in term of length (you want to be able to fold them over) and tensile resistance (I’ve found some a little too stretchy). You might have to shop around a little to get ones you like best. Fortunately they are inexpensive.Also get a pack that are all the same size. Looks like the one you linked has varying lengths for different toes. I think that might end up making some less useful than others, and essentially wasted.
I got my favorite ones from walmart.com, but the ones I got are not in stock, so no help in sharing the link. (I’ve also gotten the ones I least prefer from walmart.com, so…)
Can you show an example of something you tried & liked regarding the toe shields (or whatever these are called)?
then: 6" BPEL, 4.88" MSEG, 4.88" BEG
now: 7.625" BPEL, 5.5" MSEG, 6.5" BEG
I went to my purchase history and they are all of the sudden back in stock:
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I just used those as an example, You’re right, the same size seems more reasonable.
Need to find some here in my country and figure out the best for me.About folding - you fold them im half, one side to another, a bit like this rubber on vacuum cup?
You fold them in half like rolling the top of a sock down. Folding them any other way would close the opening and you couldn’t use them. It is really obvious when you try it. The main point is it increases the constriction and decreases the area that the shield covers so it is more focal.
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I am going to try this at some point… I admit doing things like this scares me a bit, but it’s only because I’ve not done any real girth work yet, even though I’ve done PE for years (other than jelqs/ water pumping).
Let me reassure you. Super low intensity when compared to hard clamping or high pressure pumping (like 10-11 inHg, which is considered the minimum for exceeding natural erection pressure). Plus you can do fewer shields, less blood introduction to the penis for less pressure and shorter sets. But once you try it out you’ll feel confident it is safe and the intensity (to a safe limit) is what drives growth.
I don’t get any permanent discoloration from soft clamping, like with hard clamping or hard pumping. Never had any transient EQ issues from it. I’ve never gotten a blister, like with vac hanging. It is really the one PE thing I do without thinking twice about potential issues.
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That’s pretty much the only angle I thought about folding, otherwise they would close, as You mentioned.
Just ordered 20 of them, had to use AliExpres, since in my country I found only re-seller from China anyway but twice the price.
Definitely gonna give them a try, it seems pumping is not as effective as I expected, so I guess I may join some jelqs + pumping and few minutes of light clamping and seek for some gains.
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Let me reassure you. Super low intensity when compared to hard clamping or high pressure pumping (like 10-11 inHg, which is considered the minimum for exceeding natural erection pressure). Plus you can do fewer shields, less blood introduction to the penis for less pressure and shorter sets. But once you try it out you’ll feel confident it is safe and the intensity (to a safe limit) is what drives growth.I don’t get any permanent discoloration from soft clamping, like with hard clamping or hard pumping. Never had any transient EQ issues from it. I’ve never gotten a blister, like with vac hanging. It is really the one PE thing I do without thinking twice about potential issues.
You’ve convinced me this isn’t as risky as I thought; and I definitely plan on doing clamping at some point (so I’ll definitely try this). Have you had EQ improvement from this / have you observed any evidence or do you think it’s helped convert BPFSL gains to BPEL gains?
then: 6" BPEL, 4.88" MSEG, 4.88" BEG
now: 7.625" BPEL, 5.5" MSEG, 6.5" BEG
it seems pumping is not as effective as I expected
What kind of pumping do you do and how long are your sessions? It’s possible different people respond to pumping differently…My pumping sessions are only 10 minutes and it’s making a dramatic impact for me.
Pumping has quickly more than doubled the size and volume of my flaccid & my flaccid size is now bigger than my pre-PE fully erect length & girth size… So it’s odd for me to hear it’s not working for someone. However, I did PE for years (over a decade ago) without pumping, and my gains were very slow/ not as much as they should have been… So, maybe it’s possible I was just approaching PE the wrong way for me personally. It’s possible some methods / devices are wrong for some people & won’t be as effective.
One thing I encourage is experimentation & changing of methods if what you’re doing isn’t working as well as you think it should.
The other thing that’s hard about PE is you just have to keep doing it; I went 4-5 months without seeing BPEL improvement and then one day I had a 0.33" size jump… Yes, I saw BPFSL indicators growing, but my BPEL was really lagging (and it’s why I started this thread, I hadn’t seen that 0.33" jump yet).
then: 6" BPEL, 4.88" MSEG, 4.88" BEG
now: 7.625" BPEL, 5.5" MSEG, 6.5" BEG
What kind of pumping do you do and how long are your sessions? It’s possible different people respond to pumping differently…My pumping sessions are only 10 minutes and it’s making a dramatic impact for me.Pumping has quickly more than doubled the size and volume of my flaccid & my flaccid size is now bigger than my pre-PE fully erect length & girth size… So it’s odd for me to hear it’s not working for someone. However, I did PE for years (over a decade ago) without pumping, and my gains were very slow/ not as much as they should have been… So, maybe it’s possible I was just approaching PE the wrong way for me personally. It’s possible some methods / devices are wrong for some people & won’t be as effective.
One thing I encourage is experimentation & changing of methods if what you’re doing isn’t working as well as you think it should.
The other thing that’s hard about PE is you just have to keep doing it; I went 4-5 months without seeing BPEL improvement and then one day I had a 0.33" size jump… Yes, I saw BPFSL indicators growing, but my BPEL was really lagging (and it’s why I started this thread, I hadn’t seen that 0.33" jump yet).
If that’s not an issue, I will describe my routine here.
It’s 2 on, 1 off.
- 10 min warm up with IR heat pad.
- 10 min stretches (will remove it soon to split length and girth routines between a day)
- 10 min jelqs (I am loosing erection while doing them, from 80% to 30-40% and I need to jerk off a little bit to get erected again, something’s wrong here)
- Interval pumping (found this idea on YT from BD - Peak Male Physique)
It works like this:
Get erected, get inside the cylinder, pump to working pressure (5inHG for me now) and every 2 minute release the pressure and then pump again to 5 inHg).
Repeat 5 times, remove penis from the cylinder, do some manuals and repeat again for 5x 2 mins) ( I got to 2 sets for 5 min each, so 20 mins in total).
It’s supposed to reduce edema and improve the expansion but I am no longer sure.
When I end first 2 min interval and release the pressure, my penis is no longer erected, even though when I pump again to working pressure, it doesn’t reach same point in the cylinder it used to on first interval.
I mostly need girth, length is a secondary target so maybe that’s not an issue but keep trying to work this out.
- Some edging with C ring
- Head down in C ring and heat pad for 10 min
To be fair, I’ve been pumping for only 3-4 weeks and since I am definitely not an easy gainer, I am too impatience with the routine.
Ah, also, sometimes, especially on days off, I pump a little bit, without interval, for like 10 mins on 70% of working pressure. It’s supposed to help the routine, low pressure to somehow cement the gains but that’s untested yet by me.
Galander:
Here’s my thoughts: My pumping sessions are more simple, just build up pressure & try to keep it (I hate stopping/ reducing the pressure & starting over). I only release pressure when my balls get pulled into the tube (I purposely use pumping to stretch shaft skin/ I believe it has helped prevent turkey neck). My pump has no pressure gauge, so I have to "wing it", and I’ve found getting max pressure quickly gives me injuries, so now I try to build up slowly for the first few minutes, as I warm up (I’m using really hot water with a water pump), then I hold BPEL beyond my normal max for about 5 minutes.. That’s it really (10 minutes for me). It’s working quite well…
I saw noticable improvements with puming pretty fast, but a few weeks isn’t much… Also, I had done PE for years in the past already.
Also, my rationale for 10 minute pumping sessions were old posts by Avocet — and he mentioned that maxed out his gains. It seems to be working great for me (10 minute sessions).
I suggest you keep experimenting until you find what works for you.
then: 6" BPEL, 4.88" MSEG, 4.88" BEG
now: 7.625" BPEL, 5.5" MSEG, 6.5" BEG
Why BPEL < BPFSL: One idea
interesting thread.
I believe Kyrpas Volume thread here at Thunders talked about collagen realignment and the importance that girth work has on continued length gains. The current theories in the Reddit/ YouTube PE community point to girth work being complementary to length exercises as well.I personally don’t agree with the idea that you need to separate length work from girth work and go for length first. However, even if we accept that as truth, suggesting that girth work can help convert bpsfl to bpel is not contradictory. Many of the guys that did length first / girth second continued adding to bpel during their girth focused training. In my opinion this supports the theory that girth exercises (pumping specifically) convert stretched length to erect length.
What’s interesting is I’ve gained length faster since I started pumping, and in theory pumping is a girth only exercise… But I’m not sure I believe that; I’ve been able to get 0.5" or sometimes even more beyond BPEL while pumping.. However, I was pumping at max pressure too, which is risky… But I had a theory that spending 5 minutes per session beyond max length woulld eventually help me grow. Was that the key to my growth last year? (my growth was 0.875" BPEL) I don’t know.. it’s the best year of PE I’ve ever had, but I changed a lot of what I’ve been doing (I use vac ADS + water pumping, and stopped doing jelqs.. in contrast, I did jelqs and hanging for years and hardly gained during those times).
I see many, if not most are questioning the mantra "length first, girth second…" perhaps there is some synergy to doing both (my methods lately are working and I’m doing a form of both length & girth exercise).
I’ve made tremendous girth gains while attempting to primarily grow length… I agree that it’s about impossible to completely separate the two, at least while working on length (because all my 4+ years of PE have been focused on length gains, so that’s really most of what I know so far; girth work has always been secondary for me). And at least in my case, the girth came easily, without effort, as a byproduct of length work.
then: 6" BPEL, 4.88" MSEG, 4.88" BEG
now: 7.625" BPEL, 5.5" MSEG, 6.5" BEG
What’s interesting is I’ve gained length faster since I started pumping, and in theory pumping is a girth only exercise…
Not necessarily, though if you go to an oversize tube you have a lot more sideways area (girth) than end area (length) for the vacuum to work on.
I’ve made tremendous girth gains while attempting to primarily grow length… I agree that it’s about impossible to completely separate the two […] the girth came easily, without effort, as a byproduct of length work.
Same here. I spent years specifically trying to avoid girth gains, but got them anyway. Right now I’ve added clamping to try to increase girth, with the theory that girth might be traded for length once the tunica is stretched. After looking at the changes in shape when doing a flaccid stretch, I’m viewing the tunica are more like a Chinese Finger Trap than a rope or balloon. In a couple of months I’ll move from clamping back to hanging, and see if I can turn the gained volume into length. Might not work, or I might run into the "steel cord", but that’s how experiments work.
My non-cemented gains vary in both length and girth. But if I type them into calcSD, the *volume* remains about the same, which is another point in favor of the "Chinese Finger Trap" idea. Which I’m sure has been considered before, probably in great detail.