Formal Theories On Converting BPFSL to BPEL?

Are there any formal theories or great posts on the subject of Converting BPFSL to BPEL? For the first time in my PE career my BPFSL is well beyond my BPEL (about 1/2"); my BPFSL used to always be smaller than my BPEL.

Has anyone researched the subject? I’ve heard claims jelqs are key to converting gains, and I admit I’ve lapsed in doing jelqs lately (so this could be the culprit).

That’s an interesting question, I’d love to know the answer too!

I have done a bunch of reading here trying to figure that out. I have not seen anything yet that is much more than supposition. However, it seems to be the general consensus that BPFSL eventually translates to BPEL. Just assuming that is correct, the question is when?

My experience, while maintaining the same PE program, is that it does happen, but it is super slow, like 3-6 months, and I always see a reduction factor of some sorts. So when I see gains in BPFSL, let’s say 1/2 inch, in 3-6 months I see an EL gain of 1/8-1/4 inch. I have experienced several cycles of this.

My current thinking is to modify my hanging routine to try to lessen the time interval and reduction factor. Not sure what routine that is though.

It seems that I said this already and went into more of my experience in the Flaccid Gains thread. Sorry for the redundant info here.

By improving EQ?

No worries Tomcurti. It’s interesting that you can at least identify a pattern. I have always struggled with length gains but I find my recent major BPFSL improvements encouraging.

And absolutely about BPFSL gains eventually converting at least partially to BPEL. That is a consistent pattern everyone seems to see observe eventually.

Altrz: Sure, EQ certainly helps… but we are talking about growing the penis beyond the current bounds to a length never before achieved. I for example have never measured past 7.3” except while I am water pumping in the bathmate at high pressure I consistently reach 7.75” for the last few weeks.

At least for me, water pumping and kegels both have major positive impact on EQ. But we are also taking about getting past limiting factors to grow all internal structures beyond what has ever been realized before, so while EQ is important, I think this goes beyond EQ.

ADS is doing a great job stretching my non erect length but for the first time in my PE career it’s not immediately converting to erect length.

One thing I stopped doing 6 months ago was jelqs. I am thinking of bringing them back as an experiment to see if I can quickly translate some of my BPFSL gains to BPEL.

I wonder if there are other theories out there on the subject. Most of my PE career BPFSL was 1/4” to 1/2” less than BPEL. It’s only recently my BPFSL is 1/2” greater than my BPEL.

I am curious to know where most other PE’ers are. Am I an outlier having BPFSL less than BPEL most of my PE career? How far ahead are BPFSL vs BPEL gains for most experienced PE’ers?

Stretched length indicates elastic expansion. That elasticity is not necessarily utilized in an erection. There’s more tissue that has to come along. You should keep going as elastic gains can be lost too.

I would focus on "filling in" the elasticity with expansive exercises followed directly after stretched exercises. Pumping but also edging/ballooning.

All stretch and hanging exercises are very one dimensional in stretching tissue. Jelqs target the tunica and inner tissue in a more 3D way.

Ballooning? Not sure I’ve heard that one (and I have been around PE a long time).

My ADS sessions are up to 2 hours and I will eventually increase that too. However, I’m wondering if I can get away with less time for things like jelqs.

Regarding Jelqs, I am going to see if I can get enough results from just 10 minute sessions. With pumping Ive had fantastic results from 10 minute sessions.

Why would I do this? Well, from the start with my comeback to PE my goal has always been minimum time, effort and force to reach my goals. Having an ADS on for a few hours isn’t a big deal, but anything manual is more time consuming.

I’m sure I am not the only PEer out there with an incredibly busy career, family and limited time for PE.

I wonder if anyone has done studies (even anecdotal) or has theories on minimum time needed for maximum benefit with jelqs…

I’ve seemed to hit a plateau recently and my bpsfl is also more than 1/2” above my bpel. I’ve heard the expansion work, such as pumping, clamping and edging are helpful in filling this gap. Just this year I’ve started doing some pumping along with edging. No luck yet on adding some extra length though.

Kyrpa Ultrasonic thread has lots of posts of kyrpa convinced that girth work is the answer to closing the gap of BPFSL and el

It’s accepted by many that girth work helps to close the gap between bpfsl and bpel. Pumping seems to be the safest way but clamping and other girth exercises are effective as well.

I’ve recently started heated water pumping at higher pressure (10-12 inch HG) for 3. 5 minute sets with firegoat rolls a 2 minute jelq back to erection between sets. I have seen my bpel and length in the tube start to increase without increasing my bpsfl. I have always pumped but never at a vacuum greater than 7HG. It seems to be working for me, but I’m one of the lucky ones that don’t get blisters.

Usually the anecdotal advice I’ve seen since I started PE is length first / girth second. This advice seems to contradict that.. Please link threads that discuss why people believe girth work closes the gap. Have any of the biggest gainers / top gainers done this approach?

Bib clamp and jelq between hanging sets. Biggest mistake I made was hanging for 3hours a day and no girth exercise.

Why BPEL < BPFSL: One idea

I believe Kyrpas Volume thread here at Thunders talked about collagen realignment and the importance that girth work has on continued length gains. The current theories in the Reddit/ YouTube PE community point to girth work being complementary to length exercises as well.

I personally don’t agree with the idea that you need to separate length work from girth work and go for length first. However, even if we accept that as truth, suggesting that girth work can help convert bpsfl to bpel is not contradictory. Many of the guys that did length first / girth second continued adding to bpel during their girth focused training. In my opinion this supports the theory that girth exercises (pumping specifically) convert stretched length to erect length.