How many hours for 1"?

The following data isn’t to be taken too seriously as it was just the result of me playing with some numbers, but since so many people want to know how long it takes to get results I thought I’d try to reduce the data to the most simple common denominator. There’s obviously going to be lots of variability between individuals but it’s a start.

I’ve been wasting plenty of hours crunching the data from various site and referenced studies from jes, andromedical, penimaster and about half a dozen others regarding how many hours at how many grams traction it took for gains.

Although the amount of traction and the amount of time are both variables that affect the rate of gain, within the traction device range (around 600g - 1500g usually) it seems that as a rule of thumb, you can trade off one against the other. I played around the number quite a bit, and came to the following conclusion:

It takes about 2600 “pound hours” traction for 1 inch of growth on average.

Similarly, if you double the traction to 2lb then you can half the time to 1300 hours. It’s a bit of a fluff calculation since they ramp up the traction rates differently in each study referenced, but the growth did seem to be fairly linear overall.

It might be interesting to read the humongous Bib thread once more to try to determine how many “pound hours” he hung per day to see if it is comparable, since he was using very high weight and also a relatively high number of hours per day (in hanging terms at least).

Keep in mind that Bib, while being an icon here and one of our heroes, will be the first to tell you he had a PE-ending injury. So guys, don’t start doing the calcs and figure you’ll just go out and hang 50 pounds and get an inch in a month … it is really easy to get injured doing PE.

What injury?

dangleman: what was his injury I’m curious

Guys: I was under the impression that Bib (Bigger) was the same as JAPP - different alias. If I am mistaken, then CORRECTION. It was JAPP, a big gainer and real expert, who had the injury. Either way, the point is for newbies not to do some calculations and figure they can strap on 50 pounds of weight and get an inch in a month. Easy and slow does it.

Thanks dangle. I’m gonna go hang my car off my dick for an hour and report the results here.

You IS insane, man!!

Umm, here is a cut-and-paste from Dino’s recent post:

JAPP
Cool Guy

Registered: Jan 2003
Location:
Posts: 1

FYI, Darkened foreskin and my injury…
Some here might still remember me (Big Al, Bib), I frequented this board a few years ago. I am posting this as an FYI to all PE’ers.

I jelqed with a 70% erection for 3 years straight/ 5 times per week and gained about 2.5” in length and 1.5” in girth. During that time I developed considerable darkening of the foreskin, the worst being around my circ scar. I loved PE, but I HATE the darkening effect.
I had also developed an injury —everytime I did PE of any sort, I would have a huge red spot on the left side of my circ scar —it hurt like hell at the time. I believe it was a torn tunica. It would get very red after an extended sex session. After this injury, I realized that I could no longer perform any PE exercises (and I did try, believe me).

In early 2001 I moved out to California to take a new job. I haven’t jelqed or performed any PE for about 2 years. The darkened skin has lightened up quite a bit. I’d say the darkness has faded about 75%. The bad thing is that I have lost about 50% of my gains.
The injury never really healed 100% —I still get a small red spot under my foreskin after I have sex.

You only have one dick, it isn’t indestructable. Please take care of it and be careful.

JAPP

From dangle: whether JAPP got this injury from hanging or not (wasn’t he the INVENTOR of the Bib hanger??), it shows the a VERY experienced, big gainer can get TAKEN OUT completely from PE by a bad injury. I rremember when I first started hanging, the incredible rush I got, and the desire to hang more and more. I actually quit because I couldn’t rein in my enthusiasm and was worried about hurtiing myself. So while hanging is a superb way to get length, all i am saying is, add the weight gradually. I mean, it’s obvious the dick is not designed to be a weight-bearing device, and you have to go slow. I just didn’t want someone to see that formula, have a few beers, pull out a calculator, and say “holy shit, I’m gonna strap 25 pounds on there tonight anhd have a 9-incher by Christmas”!!

JAPP is still a member here dangle, and as you know by now Bib and JAPP are not the same person.

And no, JAPP is not Bib (or Big Al for that matter) I think the parenthesis messed you up on that one.

Bib is the inventor of the Bib Hanger.

EEk! Sorry guys. Thanks for straightening that out! Identity crisis for sure.

And, Insane Man: just make sure you hang a Subaru instead of a Mercedes and I’m sure you will be fine.

I believe that tissue traction pound-hours do not uniformly ascend a hypothetical chart. In my opinion, 5 lbs for 4 hours and 10 lbs for 2 hours are NOT the same thing. I think the lines start to skew. I tend to believe that Time is most important, provided that at least a minimal level of force is being implemented.

And I believe the 2600 is way off - unless you’re a hacker. :)

I gained an inch in about 7 months or so. Figure, roughly 200 days; I PE’d every other day - and certainly missed at least 15-20% of my workouts (shame on me). So, let’s say 83 workouts of manual. My minutes started at 5 and gradually worked up to about 15. If 10 was even the average, say about 830 minutes - even round it up to 900 minutes of stretching, which is only about 15 hours. I could not have averaged more than about 10 lbs of tractional force….so, in my case, about 150 pound-hours for 1 inch.

Even if you DOUBLE that estimate, it’s still only about 1/5 of your estimate.

Break it down like this….that’s about 260 hours of hanging 10 lbs - just for 1 inch. If you hung 10 lbs for 8 hours per week (average), it would take nearly 8 months to gain that inch.

And, for manual, 4 hours per week at about 10 lbs average would take nearly 1.5 years for 1 inch.

A better guide I’ve seen posted is that if you hang properly, you’re going to gain about 1” for every 10-lb increment. I don’t have hanging experience under my belt, so I can’t comment personally, but the caveat was that you weren’t rushing adding weight, but progressing wisely.

That is if when you stretch at 10 lbs of tractional force it could be 2 lbs unless you could show me somewhere that you can figure out how much

Wad,

While I accept what you are saying regarding the results you exampled not being linear, you are talking about at least 3 different exercise protocols. They are as different as a gentle stroll and power lifting.

The numbers above were all taken from references that ranged in weight from 600g to 1500g, and daily time of at least 3-4 hours, but mainly references claiming between 10 and 12 hours. Within that envelope the results do indeed seem to be fairly linear.

Despite even those constriants, individual variance could account for perhaps 50% or more deviation from those numbers, so for now I stand by my orginal post that as a rough rule of thumb for all day stretching it’s a reasonable estimate.

Shiver,

Personally I wouldn’t trust any information that jes, andro or penimaster put out there. There’s info that’s been posted here before on stretching in other areas of the body that shows a very,very slow rate.

I think that data is as likely to be true as my take on ADS. I think hanging works by stressing beyond the point the body can handle and even then the body adapts and weights need to rise, why shouldn’t ADS have the same effect without the gains? You’re stressing the penis with a level of tension way below that of the average hanger, that seems like a perfect recipe to gain strength in the penis as opposed to length.

I don’t doubt that people can gain initially from ADS, if you stretch for 10 minutes a day you can gain early on. I do wonder if people who use ADS as the be all and end all of their PE program are predominantly building up resistance for later on in their PE.

I don’t know whether any of the information is true or not personally. I just take one aspect of PE and run with it until I exhaust any ideas I have then look at a new area. I’ll be looking at ADS over the next month or two.

As for the stressing vs gains, I’d answer much the same as I did in post #11 of this thread earlier today:
Correlating Size with Gains