Hypertrophy & PE

mercuryrex:

>”If tissues in the lips, ears etc,…can be forced to grow,.and so can skelatal bone,….then why would penile tissue be the exception?”

I never said that penile tissue cannot be enlarged (my penis is 2/3 bigger than when I began PE), I just said that hypertrophy is not a phenomenon associated with PE.

>”If the only results people have got is by stretching ligaments,..then the people who have made gains would just have long thin penises,..but we know that there is usually a proportionate increase in size with the people who have grown.”

I never said the “only results people have got is by stretching ligaments.” If you read my post you would’ve seen that I listed ligament stretching as only 1 of 3 methods (the other two were tunica stretching & CC/CS enlargement). Again, by stretching the tunica, you would get both length & girth gains - the same holds true for CC/CS enlargement….so the penis would not be getting skinnier.

>”You mentioned various exercises above,..but obviously they just didn't pop up by magic….Some of those exercises were thought out and discussed on this forum. People will throw out exercises that don't work and keep the ones that are said to work. There's science behind why some exercises work, and others don't…They don't just sorta happen.”

No, these exercises are not the result of magic; however, they are also not the result of parallel gym exercises. Stretching is….well…..stretching. That didn’t take a great amount of imagination. And the other exercises are compressive.
Impaction/Compression: Jelqs, Ulis, Hold, Horse440’s, etc.
Traction/Elongation: Stretches, A-Stretch, Blasters, etc.
There it is. Furthermore, the frequency of PE workouts is totally opposite of gym workouts. Guys might start out PE’ing 3 or 4 days per week, work up to 5, even 6 days. DLD PEs 7 days per week.
Try that with weight training & see what you get. In fact, as you get much bigger & stronger in the gym, you need more & more recovery time. World Class powerlifters - like legends Ed Coan, Bill Kazmaier, Mike Bridges, etc. - eventually trained the “Big 3” only once per week. And some did the deadlift heavy only once per 10-14 days. That’s what happens when you’re squatting 880-1,000 lbs, benching 600-700 lbs, etc.
But try PE’ing once per week & see what you get. The same with forced reps or negatives….none of that stuff applies to PE, none of it.
Again, my original point: PE has nothing to do with traditional muscle training or hypertrophy, it is a different animal altogether.

wadzilla

I was just questioning your point that it has nothing to do with traditional muscle training and hypertrophy.

I was suggesting that maybe “something” to do with penis growth has to do with conventional muscle growth.

Yes, it’s true that we can’t exercise it the same way as we would skelatal muscle,..but we put external stimulas on it in different ways.

Isn’t the fact that when the sheath surrounding the penis is stretched, the penis has a larger capacity to hold more blood,..have something to do with the fact that this incidence is also evident in the sheath surrounding skelatal muscle.

You say that stretching enables the ability to gain a larger penis,..well that’s also true with skeletal muscle.

If hormones and nutrients make muscle grow,..they also make the penis grow. It happened when we were teenagers.

The tissue that the penis is made of is made up of proteins, and will expand when engorged with blood,..much the same as skelatal muscle.
Blood makes muscles expand,..blood makes the penis expand.

Like I say,…I feel that there may be a hell of a lot in common between training the penis, and training skeletal muscles.
Yes, we can’t exercise the penis quite like we would our biceps,……but we still expose it to external stimulas.
Stretching and compression is part of conventional training, as it is with penis training.
I know there are ways that it is not similar in regards to how it is exercised, like you can’t take it to the gym and curling with weight, or something like that….but there are many manual exercises already conceived that put stresses on the penis.

I can’t just throw out the possibility of the similarities, without being explained to specifically why there is nothing in common between penile growth and skeletal growth.

Why wouldn’t hypertrophy, or hyperplasia be possible in the penis? Surely if it occurs in the rest of the body it would also apply to the tissues of the penis.

Btw,..I agree with your point about the rest and recuperation.

Hi everyone,

I’ve been a lurker for few months now, but thought it would be appropriate to make my first post here under this thread. I’d recently (7 weeks ago) purchased an all day hanger that is very comfortable to wear, it weighs around 16 oz. I try to wear it on average 8-12 hours day 6 days a week.

I’m can’t say for sure whether I’ve gained some length to my penis yet, since my erect penis length can vary in size depending on how hard I bone press it when measuring. But my penis does feel different and i can definitely see potential for growth with continuous use. This thread certainly has reassured me that an all day hanger was worth giving ago.

Right now I do not do any other exercises except for the ADH, but I’m considering buying a pump to complement my all day hanging device. I hope to post back with some positive results in the next few months.

Great forum btw.

1)Which is the best all day hanger to buy? 2) How much traction force would be best and, 3)for how many hours a day?

I agree. I believe we are on the verge of the great equalizer.
penis enlargement that will benifit men of all ages and size.
I had fun with a p.e. program for 2 years and
as a result I went from 6 1/2 inches to 8 1/4 inches.
My penis is now longer when it is flacid than it used to be when it
was erect.
It has been over a year since I did the “work outs”
and I’m still over 8 inches.

I have found a LOT of info since the day I first found about p.e.

Glands are capable of producing the exact same
amount and quality of hormones that they produced when we were
young (such as puberty). Interesting possibility. Worth some research.

What happens is that that at the end of certain levels of growth our boddies send out
messenger chemicals that alert our glands to decrease release.It’s called negative
feedback.
If we can reduce the messenger ,then the gland (if prompted) can go back
to releasing the hormone, possibly even more than it did at puberty.
which means…the cell division part…(not just increasing the volume of cells)
would actually work on men past puberty.

HGH is not powerful enough to cause cell division. It takes 1IGF(insuline growth factor)
to do that. 1IGF is many times more powerful than HGH.
deer antler velvet is supposed to dramatically increase 1IGF. It is one of
the suppliments I used during my best growth.

Also, DHT is 10 times more anabolic than Test.It may actually be the hormone more
responsible for erections
Test is converted to DHT by 5-alpha reductase which good news would point out
that as men age their bodies manufacture more of it.

But, if you had tons of Test , as long as your recepter sites aren’t ready for it,
then a lot of the test would convert to estrogen.

So one major question is…how to get a particular part of the body to demand
growth promoting hormones….well..part of the answer is
exercise….also…we need to develop more recepters….it’s being studied…
but it is believed that zinc increases the number of recepter sites.
If someone could come up with something to dramatically increase recepter sites
they’d make a million. I believe self-hypnosis is a key. more on this later.
I was taking ZMA which I like. Zinc aspartate, magnesium aspartate, and B-6.

the suppliments i mention mainly have to deal with muscles..i know..i know…
but perhaps they may effect other fibers as well.
One I tried was X-Factor
by Molecular Nutrition. Check up on it.
I got some of my best results while taking it. If i could only take one suppliment
this would be it. your body gets saturated with arachidonic acid. then
during stress or stretching of fibers the arachidonic acid is released.
Arachidonic acid is actually the chemical messenger first released by your muscles during intense weight training, controlling the core response to exercise and regulating the intensity of all growth signals to follow.
it is the stretching of muscle fibers during intense exercise that causes arachidonic acid to be released and metabolized to active prostaglandins.prostaglandins are integral to protein turnover and muscle accumulation. They operate right at the very core of muscle growth, and are responsible for regulating the direct local response to physical exercise. notice the word local. You exercise your calfs…and that area sends out the signal
for hormones. so forth so on. But in jelqing and stretching I would imagine a lot
more prostagandin is produced.

I never got a chance to take acytal-l-carnatine..alpha lypoic acid and lecithin during
the 2 years….i have some now…so next time.
but these are supposed to help your body make acytal-choline which turns off
the messenger chemical that stops HGH. Somatastatin I think.

Some supplimetns I havn’t tried also are Bolt by Sans Its Myoxx Cell Duplication System is designed to cause muscle fiber hypertrophy, which translates into more muscle mass being added to your existing body structure. activates muscle fiber hyperplasia by increasing the myonuclear number located in each individual muscle cell. It’s like having brains for your muscle fibers which signal the muscle cell to produce more protein ,faster, especially after exercise.
and myo-blast by cytodyne

it is supposed to increase the number of muscle fibers. myostatin establishes your muscle-building “set point.” And once you reach it, the myostatin prevents you from growing any further. So regardless of what you’re taking to grow muscle, you may never achieve your absolute maximum until you block or regulate the dreaded myostatin protein!

Myozap is the name for a new patented compound called Fraction C. from an exotic sea plant (Cystoseira canariensis) and was first discovered by bio-chemistry researchers at Las Palmas University in Spain.
the Fraction C in Myo-Blast naturally binds to the myostatin protein, working to actually cancel its ability to stop muscle growth. Once it’s neutralized in the body, suddenly, brand new muscle proteins called myoblasts begin a rapid proliferation and dramatically increase in number. Simply stated, these new muscle cells then form new fibers of muscle tissue.
Well..that’s about it. I don’t care to try pro-hormones because of the negative feedback
response our bodies produce.

I think in a few months when I have all my suppliments ready…i’ll do another 6 month
series of workouts.
There is new research being done on a scent given off by women which creates a powerful increase in testosterone within 30 minutes by 300%.osmopheramone
or something like that. If some of your clients have girlfriends or wives they have a secret
weapon they can tap into.I experimented with good results.
which brings us to self-hypnosis. Women have actually increased breast size this way.
Well, if they can use it then why not us?
I am experimenting with this now. Already more veins are beginning to show.
A lot more than i’ve ever seen. but it’s a slow process.
I read an article in a hypnosis book about mental ill patients who actually
experience eye color changes during personality shifts. that’s powerful.
What if you could recreate the events in your penis leading up to and during puberty?
I do believe it is the answer, but I don’t think anyone has it down just yet.
trial and error with personal experimentation is the only way.
I’m reading a book now which describes a hypnotist taking years to figure
out how to use hypnosis to make warts on his hands shrink. It worked after
a long time of hard effort. But determination payed off.

I was using the pump right before I came to a p.e. site
and had almost entirely lost the ability to become erect.
6 weeks after p.e. I was better than before the pump.

It’s kind of sad. about 25 years ago my cousin Gerald mentioned milking
to me and I said I knew what he was talking about but I didn’t.
Had I simply asked…Man, what a difference it would have made.
I was 12 years old.

So boys - my question here is the old one: HOW MANY REST DAYS? My theory is that stretching (length) requires none at all, but what about GIRTH? Is there a necessary building or rebuilding component to it? PLEASE WEIGH IN, as this is the practical application of the whole theoretical argument here.

It depends on what kind of girth work you are doing. If you are doing some sort of high-impact girth work, you really can’t do more than like 2-on/1-off. For some people, it may be more like 1-on/1-off. I also think you need to take off a week or so every 4 to 6 weeks to give the tissue a chance to rebuild. My girth work usually consists of some jelqs, some Horse 440’s and some plumped bends. Bib had a very plausible theory about that at one time but I really don’t know what term to search for. I just remember Bib and YGuy discussing blood coming out of the urethra and Bib saying something about the tissue growing thin and needing some time to rebuild.

Peace,
Taz

And now I’m curious as I am a starting pumper with some ED problems (before pumping)
Did you pump with too much vacuum or too long?

Dr. Frankenstein,

Where were you getting the deer antler velvet and how much were you using daily?

Dangleman: Days off? I do my jelq/stretch routine 4 days/week. (The plan is for 5, but it has ended up being 4 most weeks.) I’m hanging 5 or 6 days/week, and doing a golf weight ADS every freaking waking hour unless I’m in the shower, on the toilet, or in bed.

My personal theory is that length & girth both need healing, but for length I’m trying to be especially careful that I don’t heal up in an unstretched state.

Interesting thread.

RBM

Well, the doc probably knows what he’s doing, but can’t assume his patients can handle all the
info and stretch safely with an ADS without supervision. Besides, I doubt insurance would pay
him for “penis enlargement consultation”. I think we’re lucky he fessed up at all.

BFLR

both, to be honest. I can’t say it would have hurt me had
I been moderate. But I got into that cycle where my
penis would go back to original size then I’d pump harder
to compensate. I didn’t have anyone to help me on tips.
Be careful. But hey,Jelqing was giving me pumps almost as hard as my early pumping sessions and only
seemed to help. And the after quality of my hard-ons
where way improved. And kegels helped with
erection firmness.
I have a slightly altered version of the jelq which
gave great results.
Dry only. I completely abandoned the wet version.

with both hands behind the head or any way possible i would stretch the penis hard as i could for 30 to 60 seconds.
which would cause stress or trauma to the penis head.
so i would do the following head-care-jelqing exercise…
with one hand i would squeeze down and pump …
like milking a cow….
trapping the blood on each stroke until the head would be real tight… while squeezing on a kegel I would
use the other hand to help stretch the penis really
firm for 10 to 30 seconds…keeping the head tight as
possible…reeaal tight ….then sometimes firmly messaging the head while holding as much tightness as possible with other hand..
I would rest for a moment then repeat until the head
recovered a little..then repeated stretching….
I would stretch 3 sets 4 sets and up to 6…
thats it. that was my whole workout.
mon.and tues on…..weds. off….thurs and fri on…
about every other sat on. and sun off always.
no hundreds of jelqs, no all day stretches….
nothing complicated.
you can see my pictures at

hope this helped

I got the deer antler velvet from GNC….

it’s sometimes called 1igf….

but you can get it from the internet easy. check up on it.

read about it.

Hey Dr. Frank,

I removed your link to your pics. You can post the pics in a new thread in the Newbie Forum as attachments and I’ll see that the thread is moved to the Members’ Pics Forum.