Hypertrophy & PE

Gentlemen,

I about crapped in my pants when I, for the first time ever, looked at the Pumper’s Forum. Modemmer (a damned inventive individual) and others were bantering about a theory which I have felt is a key to PE results, but never quite knew the science behind it. I have been trying to come up with some sort of ADS solution to use when not hanging. I totally subscribe to and agree with the cell repair theory. Today, I talked with my Urologist friend because I was so excited after reading about this. The bastard jokingly told me that he did continuous ADS when he wasn’t actively PEing. I asked him why he didn’t tell me and he said that he couldn’t divulge all his secrets. I just about cussed him out over the phone! What a prick!! In any case, he said that the Orthopaedic medical community has been actively using this approach for more and more problems.

If you look at Bigger’s achievements, he hung pretty much continuously. In addition, he always got in some sets before bed and was right back at it again by 8 in the morning. He kept the stress on the tissues and forced new cell growth rather than just repair. I think that we all need to put our heads together to come up with some ideas and tools. There are some damned inventive people on these forums and we need everyone to think about this. I have this growing suspicion that we are on the verge of a breakthrough that could lead to significant growth for EVERYONE. Bigger has some ideas about a possible ADS solution. LiLBig1 and P9 are trying something. Goingdeep has achieved great results by ADSing his ass off with the enlarger strap and a weight. Let’s bring this process to the main forum and see what we can do together!

Jelktoid

OK! Ready? BREAK!!! *clap*

Seriously, good stuff. I am ADS-challenged, but am awaiting further conversation.

jelktoid,

that sounds good…I’ve been thinking about that alot lately…getting the best out of my time with PE…I’ve picked up a pump, but mainly I’ve been resting over the last couple of weeks… giving myself a well deserved break. My penis deserved it. I’ve has some decent gains, but I don’t think I’ve taken the best approach and I’ve been kind of lazy lately with the ADS, but when I used it consistenly, everday, that is when I made my best gains. I’m open for more discussion on this. Modemmer started an experiment testing some other theories. Maybe we can get a few guys together to aggressively and consistently do an ADS workout in conjunction with hanging and see how well it works for gains. Maybe over a four or five month period. I’m game!

jelktoid:

Get ahold of your urologist and use whatever means necessary to find out his ADS method. Whips, chains, booze, truth serum - whatever.

Tex3

Yes, that dam Doctor needs a good “talking” to. Selfish shit that he is. Always worrying about himself, first it is his reputation, then he is holding out with an ADS device.

What happened to the “betterment of mankind”??

Hey Guys,

I’m beginning to see this bastard for what he really is. An asshole with an attitude. I realize now that he only told me about his PE because he was drunk at a party. He is more into money than he is into helping others. It’s always - I just got back from Rio and I bought my wife a Jag but she’s not happy. However, now that I am understanding him better, I know what to do. Believe me, I’ll play him like a fiddle. I’ll find out what he’s up to. I promise. In any case, while I’m still on the sidelines (my wife grabbed a hold of my unit and just about tore it off - (re-aggravating the nerve problem) I plan to make good use of my time and research this further and try to come back with some good solid information. I will be talking to Bigger to discuss an idea that I have. More to come later.

Keep after it!! ESPECIALLY YOU GOINGDEEP - QUIT SLACKING OFF! (If anyone can get close to Biggers gains I think it will be you!)

Jelktoid

Thunder, you’re right about that doctor! Bastard! First they tell us that it can’t be done and now they want to hide it from us! Just whose side are they on anyway! :leftie: j/k

I think ADS could be a key and the way I see it the trick is to get something that’s going to give us enough traction over a long enough period without stressing the penis too much - tall order! As I’ve stated before, after about 3 hours of medium traction we start to get fluid build up. It’s not very pretty and the long term effects are unknown. However, in my experience, wrapping can reduce it.

lil1

Thanks Jelktoid!!….that’s definately motivating…I’m going to step it up again. I really have been slacking.

Hey…

Here are some of my views on the topic…

When we talk about cell repair and growth, we have several states…
1. trophy (repairing from injury)
2. hypertrophy (cell division and growth above normal)
3. hypotrophy (unhealthy cell growth)
4. atrophy (degenerating state or scaring)

Lets say your PE routine is very intense, you will have both trophy and hypertrophy activity going on after your workout as your body recuperates from the event and healthy cells are ether put into two states, repairing from injury or cell division and growth above normal. The bad part with trophy activity is if not kept in the rested state till full recovery they can slip into hypotrophy or atrophy states. One thing to note is that hypertrophy activity only occurs in normal healthy cells that are not injured!

When in hypotrophy or atrophy states you now have cells that are of less quality or scare tissue. Now, after you have rested and Henry feels great again, so you think, you workout again. Now the cells that are in the trophy state have a higher probability of switching over to hypotrophy and cells in the hypotrophy may switch to atrophy states, this is like a snowballing effect. Can this be one of the reasons some people suffer from softer erection or ED or diminished gains after PE’ing for long periods of time, less healthy cells for hypertrophy activity? Also, it shows how important rest and total recovery is in order to maintain any hypertrophy activity with minimizing the hypotrophy or atrophy states with an intense workout! Lets look at the odds here, with an intense workout what are your chances of hitting hypertrophy activity? As time goes on that activity on strong healthy cells will diminish as hypotrophy or atrophy states takes its toll on healthy cells. This to me seems like a big gamble!

Do you need injury for hypertrophy activity to occur? I believe that you do not, since hypertrophy activity only occurs in healthy cells that are not damaged and would be illogical to think you need cell damage for cell division and growth above normal to occur. So what I think we need to establish is the right amount of tension and frequency of training needed to put cells in the hypertrophy state and not the trophy state. This may slow gains, but it may also guarantee that our gains may never end.

Modemmer.

Interesting concept, however it seems to be at odds with recent (and some not so recent) medical research. With any traction there must be damage - no damage=no growth. It may only be minute, but it’s damage nonetheless. The key is to finely control this damage to use it for growth.

Read this!

Just a few other things which I feel need clarification ………

-trophy - Is a suffix from the Greek trophia. It means to nourish - it doesn’t mean “repairing from injuries”.

Hypertrophy - Is a non-tumorous enlargement of an organ or a tissue as a result of an increase in the size rather than the number of constituent cells. There are no new cells being made here - hypertrophy is a tumescence or swelling.

Hypotrophy - Is the progressive degeneration of an organ or tissue caused by loss of cells. Once again, there is no cell growth, unhealthy or otherwise - hypotrophy is cell loss!

Atrophy - is the wasting away through lack of use - as in muscles in the limbs of people with paralysis. It has absolutely nothing to do with scar tissue although scar tissue may be the cause of atrophy in some instances.

It’s all very well spouting-off opinions and theories, but please, do your homework first! Uninformed debate only serves to muddy the waters.

lil1 :lep:

Please excuse my ignorance, but what does ADS acronym stand for?

Also, Lil12big1, I am not trying to copy your name, I didnt know a similar name existed till I read this thread.

Thanks

ADS stands for All Day Stretcher. It’s any device which keeps the penis stretched all day …. or all night!

If you want to change your name you can, just PM a request to ThunderSS. Although the similarity in names might cause a bit of confusion, I personally don’t have a problem with it ……. just so long as you don’t start calling yourself lil1! ;)

lil1 :littleguy

As you can see I have been going my homework! We should all have open minds here being that PE is not a science. I just bring questions to this board with no real answers to them.

Modemmer.

I do know that this discussion is mainly about muscle. And we all know that henry is no ordinary muscle! The most important part of this is the discussion of hyperplasia a post activity of hypertrophy, if it takes place! And I do believe that this is how new tissue is grown!

When we talk about stem cells, we think about fetal stem cells. But we as adults have stem cells also, and they reside in our bone marrow. They come out and swim around in the blood stream looking for a place to pick up residence. When in the blood stream they are referred to as satellite cells, and the amazing part is that they can become any type of tissue they need to be!

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These little gems come in full force to any location that needs healing. They are the only cell that can fill the gaps in them micro tears and not only bind with the original cell healing it and making it bigger "hypertrophy", but sometimes can bind with other stem cells and create a nuclei identical to the surrounding cells and filling the gap like it lived there all the time. It can become a muscle cell, a skin tissue cell, bone marrow cell, tissue in henry, etc…

The activation of them cells to bind and form new cells and not to bind with the damaged cell is the question, and should be the ultimate quest for us PE’ers.

Modemmer.