Originally Posted by optimalss
Your saying 22-h/day or near all day model for ADS or extenders is not really feasable. Others have said this, that after being held extended for so long, it likes to turtle back for far too long.What is the model you propose? 1hr/4hr/8hr/12hr/16/hr a day?
Well, generally speaking gains = time x tension, as I said, or gains = time x length (where length means "elongated state").
I think this is true if you use a very low tension. With this approach, you should maximize time, so you have to use the device for up to 12h/day. Wearing a device 12 h /day is a challenge; I think near impossible if you are applying more than 2-4 lbs.
More then 12 h/day is bad, to me, something not physiologic: your penis has to stay in a "freedom state", being able to piss, getting occasional erections etc. etc.. 12 h/day is also the time advised by the best reviewed commercial extenders.
Let’s look at a "succes story", here:
My gains (start 1-1-2007)
Originally Posted by optimalss
Some of us were looking at it from a different light, in that some of the extenders were able to put as much tension Into your unit as a moderate hanging session. Most of us would not want to hang 20LB, but with some of the extenders you can go up to nearly 15LB.The different light I mentioned was using a heavy extender or weight session for 30 min to 1hr, to "open" the tissues, followed by immediately sliding into a low tension ADS ( 1-2lb ) for 2-4 hrs after the session.
In my minds eye, I’m seeing a 1 hr hang/heavy extender followed by 4hr ADS. Possibly 2 sessions a day, seperated by minimum of 4 hrs. For 10-12 hrs on some days, and 2-5 hrs on others.
I’m also a fan of course in implementing a non-PE a day or two into the week.
I’m a fan of moderate jelq/pump after ADS/heavy extender use, but not before.
Well, the basic point, as mravg suggested, is not "hanging vs. other kind of PE", but :
how much force?
how much time?
how much recover is needed?
1-2 lbs are "low tension", for most of PEers.
I think 20 lbs are in the "high tension" range.
How about 15 lbs? I think this is high tension. Looking at the reference I posted before, a tension that cause post-workout retraction is high. You can see for yourself when retraction start. But the work you are mentioning seems good to me. You’re using 1 hours of high tension, then using some hour of low tension.
The volume is raised and both processes, remodeling (low-stress) and repairing (high stress) can go hand in hand. mravg posted the same idea, seems to me, and ModestoMan also suggested time ago a similar thing. Many others maybe suggested the same, my regret if I’m not mentioning here.
But I think that if you are hoping that this kind of principle is working : "fibers are healing in an extended state", then this is not happening - penis is not a bone, the model is bad. More simply, you’re augmenting total work in a safe way. It’s also wise add at least 1 day off per week, given that you are using high forces.
Originally Posted by optimalss
Marinera, I wanted to get high level description on how you saw extender/ADS/weights used, and the 6/7 vs 7/7 model.
Sorry, I can’t get that. Are you asking where I’ve seen the study about the extenders users? I have to find it; I don’t remember if it was a study regarding the penimaster, the jess-extender or some other similar device. I can remember that was a low-force extender (less than 2 kg on max tension). If I’ll find, I’ll post. You could do a Google-search as well.
Hope it helps :) .