I've fallen and I need help getting back up.

Yeah dude…this stuff takes time. You won’t notice a fraction of a millimeter of growth from a daily workout. But combine hundreds of those fractions, and you definitely start to notice, and you get bigger measurements from the increased size. It’s a nice visual change to your body, but it’s not a week to week thing. Hundreds of workouts.

And why? If you can’t be consumed by this, you’ve failed. It’s not like getting strong, where a hard session in the gym can trigger a week’s muscle growth. That’s not what’s happening here. We’re applying traction. The more the better. Right now, you will be conditioning your tissues to handle REAL stress.

Why? To have a much bigger tool to use on your wife? Great, man, that’s great.

The newbie routine is a giant headache. So are other people’s intermediate and advanced routines. (That’s because I hate rules, counting, cookie cutter approaches, and I don’t like to think so hard about a pleasurable self improvement exercise.) Jelqing gave me an injury and not much girth, but edging, ulis and clamping helped with girth. The pump was the turning point. Now I think we need to simplify here, but definitely stretch a hot limp dick for length. I put hot water on my dick and stretch it. I massage it to get some blood flow between stretches. My water pump and extender came with instructions. I use them. Am I wasting time telling you this, or do you really want a bigger cock? (I’m divorced, I try to screw the young and comely.) I’m off to penis stretching land now, good luck potential puller!

I would like to see some of the vets or people who have gained share more information about their working progress. I’ve been on this forum(and I was one Cheekycherry.com, before they kinda went under) and I have only had one person message me to talk to me about what I’m doing and how I’m doing it. Afterwards offering me tips and routines to try, now mind you me an many others have made frustrated threads about how much time and effort is invested into pe and getting nothing to show for it). I know everyone is different like I keep seeing on here, but how fucking different can we be? I mean you have genetics, physical health, and diet. I would like to think that genetics can not hinder ones ability to grow their hot dog. Physical health im sure is a huge role in how the body reacts to certains situations and work outs. Then there is diet, some people eat healthy and some don’t, some like to mix it up. At the end of the day I just would like to have some people who have had “luck” with this pe stuff help us “unlucky” guys out. The whole point of me joining this site was to seek out to the fellow man, ya know be a student and you be the teacher.

I know the vets/gainers do get frustrated with having people sign up on the site and ask the same damn question over and over and over and over and over and over and over again when the question they had was literally right in front of their face. For me it just seems like when someone ask a question on here it gets 150 views and 6 replies with the author making 3 of them, and the other answers are kinda ehhhhh…Im not saying you guys are going to have every answer, I know you don’t have this crystal ball that tells you the future b/c if you did I hope that you are the wealthiest person on Earth haha. I personally do use the search button before making a thread about a question I have, but if you type in a certain type of stretch, anyone that has ever posted stretch comes up!!! WTF I’m not going to sit and go through every thread that had the word stretch in it to hope that I find the answer I am looking for.

It just find it really hard and displeasing for people like myself that have attempted and tried and tried and tried to the edge with pe and never saw anything. I literally have been doing PE on and off for about 5 years now and haven’t seen a single gain. I have been on and off for those 5 years b/c after devoting so much time and effort into something and never receiving any reward, that is pretty fucking discouraging. I went a whole two years straight doing pe, and got nothing from it. I am not trying to sound like a dick or be the emo guy, but something has to happen here. I’ve been trying to for 5 years so its pretty obvious that I want this just as bad, if not more(b/c i haven’t gained and you have) than some. I try to accommodate my confidence in things I know I am good at, but when it comes to the size of my sch-long I have absolutely no confidence at all and it fucking sucks.

All I’m saying is me, myself, and others like me(I’m speaking for them) would just like a little more one on one communication? At this point i am so frustrated I have forgotten the initial reason why i wrote this. Now after typing for this long its more of a rant, but if I didn’t give a shit I wouldn’t have written it. Just help please.

Cookie tree,
I think I have been where you are, I ca relate to your frustration. This is my first post in here (I have been reading for some time now) and I will not call myself a vet or “big gainer”, but I do have a success in PE.
I started in 2009, but was not very strict and devoted, and therefore saw no gains. In May 2012 I started up again with a more serious approach and a good beginners routine. I did manual stretches and jelqing, which I gained a little bit from - mostly in length - but it was very little.
What really was a game changer for me was planning my workout in my daily life. Beforehand I worked out when I had the time during the day, but now I wake up 40 minutes earlier every day to work out.
My program at the moment is this:

1) Warm up with penis submerged in warm water (I have a plastic bottle/cylinder that I use). Do app. 60 kegels
2) Manual stretch in multiple directions using a piece of cloth for better grip. Usually this takes around 5-10 minutes
3) Jelqing with high erection (90%) using Vaseline “grease”. I often kegel and clamp at the base to get more blood inside the shaft between the jelqs.
4) I only do maybe 10 jelqs before next exercise, which is compression jelqs. These works for me! I trap a lot of blood in the erect penis with the ok-grip-clamp at the base. Then I force my palm of the other hand directly down on the head in direction of the base. The ok-grip moves up a little, and this causes expansion in the shaft. After some time (30 seconds to a minute) my hands get tired, and I go back to normal jelqs. Repeat. Jelqing and compressing takes me around 20 minutes.

I work out 2 days on, 1 day off, 3 days on, 1 off.

What works for me is that I do the workouts because I like it. It’s not a job and I’m not counting or watching a stopwatch. It’s more like advanced masturbating (My girlfriend calls it “Destroying my cock and making it red”, lol) and for me it feels important to be mentally focused on what I’m doing. Arousement helps me, so sometimes I watch porn just to get some blood to the penis and get my mind in the right direction.

I didn’t have a lot of success with just a lot of jelqs, so I think compression and expansion are more interesting for me. Another thing that I have discovered is that my workouts seems more effective when I constantly active my penis throughout the day. For example, every time I have been on the bathroom, I clamp my flaccid penis at the base with an overhand ok-grip. I loosen the grip, kegel hard and hold, tighten the grip and release the kegel. This traps a little portion of blood in the shaft, and when I do this for some minutes my penis is all most erect in size, but filled with blood (it’s red and spongy). Arousement do help here, but I clamp when it’s completely flaccid.

My gains so far? Well - I would love the gains to be coming faster, but this is a long process and I am willing to take my time. Since May 2012 I have gained:

Flaccid:
BPFL from 11,3 cm to 12 cm
FG from 9,5 cm to 11 cm

Erect:
BPEL from 16,5 cm to 18 cm
EG from 11,4 to 12,3 cm

What I am most interested in is that the volume of my penis has increased from 170 cm^3 to 216 cm^3. That’s not bad!

So I guess for me it’s all about “feeling” my penis and accepting that it takes a lot of time and effort, and forcing anything isn’t working. My goal is to be 18 cm x 13, so I’m on my way. Hopefully I’m there within the next year, that would be a great success.
I hope you can use my story for something! If I can gain then you can as well. :)

Cheers!
Ps. I hope my writing makes sense - I’m clearly not native English

Give heat and hanging a shot. As in a honest effort. If you can spend that much time doing something that wasn’t working for you then spend a bit of time with a proven method.

You are not alone! I have been doing PE for 3 years and have GAINED nothing but over 1” for extra foreskin due to the use of Vac-Extender.

Even till this day I still question is penis enlargement is even possible!!

A very small percentage guys like us just cannot gain.

Damn man, so we are basically on the same boat rocking out in the ocean looking for land haha. My question is there has to be something either we are doing wrong or not doing. I just can’t accept the fact that some men can gain but we cant. I’m the type of person that doesn’t like going down without a fight but sometimes getting beat up means you have to know where to punch next time. What is your routine?

I have tried almost everything (except clamping).

For most people, gains come relatively easy with persistence and in different methods. I don’t think it is something we are doing it wrong. How can you go wrong with wearing an extender 4-6 hour a day at moderate force and still not gain after 5 months? Many folks gain at least something from extender. This just to show you that even with a similar PE routine, our penis reacts very differently to the force.

I refuse to give up. This is why after 3 years I am still trying different methods.

I recently started a chemical PE routine, but it has been disastrous. Right now I am in a long term resting period to recover my loss erection quality!!

Please please start light, and definitely apply the heat the entire time you hang, I find it helpful about every 15-20 mins I remove the weight and “roll” my lil buddy between my palms to restore circulation *(don’t want any damage to my life long friend). DO NOT over do it with the weight, in this game it is the tortoise not the hare that wins the race.

Well bud you and me can be partners through this thing. i will share with you information I have gathered and routines I have tried and maybe we can just have each others back on this. I think the key for guys like you and me is to have more so moral support over routine support. There are going to be things you like that I wont and visa versa (physically), but we can help and encourage each other if we get down on our luck or are just feeling tired of it!

Feel free to private me.

I don’t really read the forums anymore. I happened to come across your post because it was the first on the front page when I was trying to access my private messages. LOL

I just want to give you a moral support that you are NOT ALONE.

Wow man great job on the gains I’m happy to see it worked for you. Your routine seems to be very easy and comfortable, like you said its not a exercise anymore its fun. I like that approach. I think with your success and most others that have gained is inline with the fact that they are one and one with their unit. They pay attention to the signs that their body shows them and work around it. I will definitely take your routine into consideration. I really want to see how pumping will do for me in the jelqing routine. I have noticed on here that a lot of vets/gainers say they havent really seen much gains in just jelqing so I’m going to step out of the box and see what mixing my routine up can do for me. Thanks a lot man for you input and advice.

I actually went and bought a heat lamp the other day to help with my manual stretches and jelqing. I don’t know if it is helping but it seems my penis is always warm which I guess would help with expansion and stretch. I’m going to look into hanging. Are there guys out there that do hanging+jelqing+pumping?