Jelq Only

Yes thats great indeed

Hi, what do You mean by heat ? How to apply it ? You mean while jelqing, if yes, how hot it should be, warm, hot or almost to hot ? I lowered number of reps to about 250-300 including warmup, less problems overall and I think gains may be similar or even better, but I noticed one thing, at the beginning after jelqing, I have some pains and weird feeling, no erection but I feel like I would have to much pressure inside, like I would get testosterone and adrenalin shot. Anyway everything is ok now, thanks for advice’s Bill10

Constant heatig through jelqing, yes.

As hot as possoble without burning your dick. Simple.

You basically cannot gain anything from jelqing, this is a delusional thing to think so.
Jelqing is -when you deeply think on it- just a weird incomplete erection, an “exercise” between stretching and wanking. I don’t think you can gain anything from this, I don’t think anybody should loose time on this for gains, but it seems great as a stretching exercise.

Just think about it, personally I’m a bodybuilder and I know my shit, a muscle need to get shocked to grow, penis isn’t a muscle but the same process apply as well (in theory) your penis tissues fibers need micro tears to develops and grow, how the heck do you want to “stress” your penis while doing jelq ? It’s basically wanking (hardly) without a full boner, it can’t work because it can’t stress your penis, a basic wanking in full erection is more stressful to your penis and this can’t brings us gains.

Hanging and clamping may work, MAY work. Clamping especially, it over-flood the penis with too much blood that’s dangerous but it may work, hanging do work but I’m not sure you can get erect after serious hanging..

I’m really starting to think that people on those kind of website are plain liars and/or delusional as f***, it seems that almost everybody got a top tier eight/nine incher.. It doesn’t seems true to me, my pragmatic mind really told me that something isn’t right about those kind of forums, it’s not really a scam but more likely a cluster of delusional people..

I see a whole lot of “my BPEL is 8” ” “I’m 9”x7” ” and so on and never see an actual picture to prove it, I saw a few some but as far as I can tell it doesn’t prove anything.

This is my first post, unfortunately I can’t open a tread to actual debate with believers and get proved wrong with actual proof, it would be great because actually I’m in a phase where my mind and my knowledge in bio-mechanics told me that everything on those kind of website are delusional things. But if someone can bring me actual proof that it work with time and dedication (and like I said before as a bbers I’m really disciplined) I would gladly recognize my mistake, but for now I cannot believe it much longer.
I’m almost sure that 70% of people on this kind of website throw random high numbers to feel right about themselves and most of people just got slight “gains” from stretching then go along with the placebo effect all year round.

Ha ha here we go,

Another day another potential Troll……

I sense a pattern here: clearly bodybuilding makes people overreact slightly.

Brad, you do know that by pretending to be better than us, being on a higher level than us, and smarter and better than us (the whole casual mentioning of bodybuilder + my mind and my knowledge in bio-mechanics) you are actually the person you accuse us of being? That is: a person who makes wild claims on the internet with nothing to back it up.

And this might be in vain, I might feed the troll with this, but here it goes anyway: You claim there’s absolutely no way you can grow muscle without “shocking” it. All those poor endurance athletes, martial arts practitioners and mountain climbers. Clearly they are all delusional and aren’t muscular at all.

Bradgmx, if this site is so deluded and full of liars why would you possibly want to hang out here?? Is it to save us from the error of our ways with your expertise and knowledge? Or is it to enlighten us with the obviously superior mind and practicality with which you’ve so generously been blessed? Personally, I’m guessing that you’re actually a troll, and you’ll make your appearance here, annoy and insult a lot of people, make obscure and demeaning claims about this site, its members , our parentage, education level, and hygiene habits, be put on hold, (or banned) leave with a grand sense of indignation about how stupid and unfair Thunder’sPlace is and move on to the next website that will tolerate you.

And by the way, instead of hijacking this thread with useless drivel with no backing, you could start a new thread to spew your own particular brand of rhetoric. Who knows? Maybe you can bait some others into sparring with you until you get booted.

Guys that is it. Shut down the site. Bradgmx has figured it all out. Turn the power out.

I am serious guys he knows his shit. So any guys who have gained please give your gains back or at the very least stop being delusional.

Hey why are you guys still here. Didn’t you here me. Shut it all down.

Brad, I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that rather than being a troll, you may just have lower emotional intelligence and manners regarding how to communicate with others effectively.

Here is a theory for you to ponder that may help you gain more open-mindedness and receptivity to new concepts:

Bodybuilding and PE have some things in common, but are different endeavors in some important ways. One difference is that whereas in bodybuilding, you are seeking the hypertrophy of muscle, but in PE, the tissue you wish to expand is not predominantly skeletal muscle.

When you excessively overload the stress on your penis prematurely, you can cause the tissue to toughen and resist growth, yielding worse results than a less intense approach. Thus, many have found that they obtained the best results by using a “less-is-more” approach, such as with moderate force/non-erect jelking. Those who go straight to more intense measures, like long and intense hanging or clamping, may experience little or no growth.

Bear in mind, also, that PE is a much newer “science” than strength training and bodybuilding. So various approaches are still be experimented with. But we do have a helluva lot of accumulated anecdoctal evidence. Though this does not constitute conclusive scientific proof, it can still be very informative to read of the experiences of others on a site like here.

To sum up: the reason less intense may be more effective for PE could be that the tissue we are seeking to expand is not the same as with the endeavor of bodybuilding.

The evidence is out there if you are willing to search with an open mind. Telling others that they should convince you and provide proof may be a less effective approach.

At any rate, I wish you the best! A bigger AND healthier dick is a real possibility, if you can overcome your initial opinions.

Waw look like I draw many butthurt overreacting puss’ :)

Again, instead of claiming gains with numbers in your signature or calling me a troll for sharing my opinion please prove me wrong, be my guest.

I never claimed to be better than anybody else, I just stated that I lift, I seriously do and I seriously research about muscle and tissue building so yes I am a bit educated on this particular subject, if you make an inferiority complex out of it it’s not my fault, but it’s kinda revealing about this PE stuff.

BTW people like “TheCerealGuy” with this kind of lack of education tend to give me reason, you are actually talking and trading advice each other to people that doesn’t know shit about shit and just empirically test shit on their penis.

I still think I am right looking at the way you actually react to a simple opinion from a random dude, calling me a troll or stating that I should get banned just because I express some reticence to believe this newer science.. You mostly seems in denial, anger and frustration when somebody put you in front of your delusions. Sorry to say that, it’s not an insult but I deeply think you are lying to yourselves as much as you lie to others just to feel better about yourselves, you can hate me for saying so or you can ban me either, I don’t care it’s my opinion. I’m not a PE expert, like I stated before I know how to build tissues, the fact is you can’t grow you penis, cavernous tissues cannot grow not in length and not in girth you can inject oil and get it cut from necrosed tissues or get silicon injection every years or cut the ligament and have a longer limp size and that’s it, or you can hang and can’t get it up anymore.

I’m a simple guy, instead of been all angry over me just prove me that I am wrong, it’s really, really simple you just have to put a picture of your dick past and before PE, because claiming having a 8” like 90% of any PE board members is a thing but strangely I rarely see pictures that prove this, after month and month stalking tru numerous boards.

I get that PE isn’t an exact science for you guys but could you still explain scientifically how it works ? Beside metaphors and bro science, could you please tell me how jelqinq works and why it works, what make it works ? Because for each, EACH muscles building exercises there’s a simple explanation of what to do and why, but PE seems like a helluva guy empirically test stuff and claim gains, like the fellow moderator “CerealGuy” that gain 2cm in 5 month which mean in 5 another months he will go up to 21cm bam another 8”, PE is magic..

I would still thank zarthustra that actually act as an educated person and not like a spoiled child. It’s not that I am not “open-minded” it’s just as I said I’m pragmatic and this doesn’t seems anything close to a scientific approach, I don’t believe this anymore.
And proving something shouldn’t be a problem, if you discover a great new stuff and people don’t believe you, you have to prove it then your word cannot be contested. At first I believed in PE, I read alot about it, I made some exercises myself for a some month then realize it was bullshit sorry to be crude, I stop being delusional and just seek for proof that I never found just anon throwing numbers in their signature claiming 1 inch gains in 2 month and a lot of bro-science, see a huge shitstorm when a psychiatrist said “it doesn’t work” then I understand people were mostly delusional and I shouldn’t waste my time and risk injuries over dreams.

Definitely a Troll…

I’m not trolling, if you doesn’t have arguments don’t call people with arguments trolls.

76% of men are unhappy with their penis size, PE is supposedly as old as civilization, if bodybuilding is greatly documented when it actually concern not that much people and was created in the XVIII don’t you think a subject as important as that wouldn’t be well documented either ? Don’t you think it would have dozen and dozen of actual “penis coach” on youtube selling their magic technique to get quickly a solid 10” ? :)

The fact is the only thing you will gain from this PE bullshit is erectile dysfunction, all theses claimed gains are wishful thinking.

Still waiting for proof, the only thing beside ban that will make me shut up, I’m open to debate the fastest way is to PROVE me wrong. It shouldn’t be that hard with that much 8 inchers around the block. :)

Lol,

Yawn.

Now I have no idea how a psychiatrist would know anything about it. But I do believe you should listen to your psychiatrist and not waste your time.

Bradgmx if you don’t want to believe it, don’t believe it. No one is charging you money. The only thing you invest is your time and effort.

You want to think everyone is delusional then that is on you. However, no one here needs to spend their time and energy to prove anything to you, especially when that has been discussed on here for over a decade.

If you want to not believe it and have a civil discussion that is fine. However, per forum rules just keep it debating the subject and no attacking the person.

You will not be banned for not believing or speaking out against PE. Personally I think you are wasting your time. If I didn’t believe in God then why would I spend my time on a religious forum telling people they are delusional. That is why people are going to assume you are a troll. If you don’t believe then why spend your time on the subject. Don’t you have better things to do?