Originally Posted by ModestoMan
I don’t. Creep is a property of any viscoelastic material. As far as I know, permanent deformation does not occur as a consequence of creep. The tissues are eventually restored to their original lengths. As I understand it, permanent deformation takes place by breaking and reforming cross-linkages between adjacent collagen fibers.
I think you can find the answer at the link below. If I’ve misread it (it’s fairly dense), please let me know.
http://silver.n … lakes/Biom.html
Note here that visco-elastic behavior of ligaments is referred to as "reversible."
I believe that creep plays a major roll in the permanent elongation of ligaments. In fact, I have found sources to back it up. Yet, just creep is just one stage of the process. Yes, like ModestoMan stated, "the tissues are eventually restored to their original lengths", but it takes time for that to happen. I have read that 40-60% of the recovery occurs in the first hour after the load is removed from the ligs, but that full recovery may take 24 - 48 hours. The good thing about this is that cumulative creep leads to permanent elongation. So, while we want other tissues of the penis to recover from the pressure of the applied force used to stretch the ligs, we want to stretch the ligs again before they have fully recovered. If the ligs are allowed to fully recover between each session, they merely get stronger. Also, building up cumulative cannot go on forever, because cell degeneration, and inflammation occur at any level of stress on the ligs. The ligs build up a resistance to the specific level of force applied even while creep is accumulating, but at a much slower rate than if they were allowed to fully recover between each PE session.
A link to medical information about ligaments and tendons was posted on a thread in the hangers forum on the thread entitled "More Proof that Long Periods of Hanging May be Beneficial" by RB. Bib reads the link and pastes the important information on the thread, and gives his opinion about how the information can be applied to PE. One excerpt stated that after the ligament was stretched beyond 5.14% the elongation was permanent due to micro trama and possible deformation (I would like to insert ModestoMan’s statement that "permanent deformation takes place by breaking and reforming cross-linkages between adjacent collagen fibers", that may very well be the deformation that takes place to make the elongation permanent). So, by applying the right amount of force, for a long enough duration, creep is induced, then by applying the force once again, additional amounts of creep may be able to add up on the previous amount of creep developed. This would not happen in a perfect 2 + 2 fashion, but more or less in a +2 -1 +2 -1 +2 =4 ( -1 for the partial lig recovery periods between PE sessions).
This PE theory is in line with Big Girtha mantra of "never let it turtle". It supports the fact that gains can be achieved through many PE methods, because cumulative creep can be built up by manual exercises, hanging, extenders, and possibly even ads’s ( I believe that even if some ads’s do not induce creep, that they hold the previous creep earned by hanging or stretching constant, or at the least the ads slows down the recovery of the ligs and prevent the full loss of the creep that was earned). So, build up cumulative creep from one session to the next, but watch PI’s to be sure that other tissues are getting sufficient time to heal/stay healthy. Then, once cumulative creep adds up and the stretched length of your ligs is beyond +5.14%, the elongation of that amount should be permanent due to that deformation that ModestoMan mentioned. So, to reach that deformation, you need to accumulate creep. Last, a decondtioning break would once again somewhat lower the tolerance to force that your ligs have built up, as well as relieve the inflammation and stop the cell degeneration that was caused by stress.
I will post this stuff again, perhaps on a thread of my own, but I will post quotes and sources on that thread. If not on a thread of my own, I will add it to remek’s PE theory thread..