Penis Size: The True Average

Indeed. Not that I’m fit at this point in my life, but at 6’4” my above average member looks far from impressive. I’ve also read that average height of porn performers, both male and female, is significantly below average. Women in porn lean toward the 5’ - 5’ 4” range, and men tend to be in the 5’ 6” - 5’ 8” range. There are plenty of exceptions of course, but I’ve heard James Deen cited specifically for being a very small dude.

Thanks for confirming my points, DrJohnson100.

And thanks for honoring my explanations, I-beam.

In my personal opinion, it is of great importance to know the real average for yourself and your journey.

I for example have 3 milestones in my head: let us say 1 inch, 1.5 and 2 inches.

Minimum, great and optimum. If my beliefs are flawed and I have a very wrong perception of reality (I watched way too much porn and still do sometimes I have to confess),

This will diminish the appreciation for the PE journey greatly. Let us face it, if you are able to cement one whole inch, it can mean the absolute world

Compared with the statistics. Every 0.1 inches count and if I reach top 2.4% as a first goal, how could I not see my effort as fruitful and worth it?

Even though it is “only” 7 inches NBPEL and a lot of guys on the internet or even some girls who simply don’t know what 7 real inches are talk a lot of bullshit.

If I get anywhere close to 7 inches BPEL, I will be ecstatic. I started at 5.75 x 5.5 and I already felt good about my size. I’m up to 6.125.

Might also be that only the guys who have impressive numbers show them.
That is why partly why there is this misconception in this forum about “real” sizes.
You gained more than me, I’m only at the beginning and will measure myself in 2 months again :-) .

Good luck! I’m trying to only measure when I see BPFSL gains to keep myself from over measuring

There shouldn’t that many misconceptions about size. Not if the interest is statistical/scientific. The guys in the calcSD website made a very good job of selecting proper studies with proper BPEL measurements, while also taking into account other studies that use BFSL, and also comparing this with self-reported sizes etc. In the papers themselves the authors also sometimes analyze these things. So the numbers in calcSD are good. And there are a lot of estimates about the sizes of the most famous porn actors. So that is known as well (roughly). But maybe all of that doesn’t matter much for some guys.

The question in the end comes back to what the man needs when he goes on the internet to find average numbers. I’ve talked about this briefly on another post, where I separated men by their desire either to be the biggest, the best, or to be the most liked. (by women)

For example, if you have a legitimately well measured 6.5” BPEL, you are already in the top 7% on the distribution. That is probably true, within a small margin of error. Buy many people believe that to be unlikely or untrue, for several reasons. It could be pure guessing or stories or reports from others.

But another reason could be that women are not doing random sampling when they choose men/penises. In this case, the probability of a woman finding a guy greater than 6.5 could be greater than 7% (assuming she wants that and is searching, at least sometimes). It could be 10%, or 30%, or whatever, for several reasons. This doesn’t invalidate the studies on average size. The average is still that calcSD number (or close to it), but that becomes irrelevant because what the guy wants is not to be on the top 10% of a normal distribution. He wants to be in the top 10% (or 1 or 0.1) of the ‘real’ distribution that is built on the woman’s personal experience. He is afraid and he wants to properly estimate the probability to be outsized, in order to feel safe.

In other words, the true average of the population is close to the calcSD numbers, but each woman will have an average of their own (based on her personal history), which is what some guys are actually trying to guess. And that is a harder problem to solve.

There are several things above that should be talked about in more detail, from statistics to psychology, but I will try to create a thread for that.

DrJohnson100,

You’ll get there. This is a game of time and tension. A large percentage of guys gain at least 1”. 2” is not as likely but possible. There use to be a total gains distribution graph somewhere in the site.

Get your lig gains, and get your tunica gains. Lig gains alone are 1” on some guys. Lig gains are a result of BTC hanging and SD hanging. The suspensitory lig will lengthen, releasing cock that’s bound tightly to the front wall of the pubic bone. The tunica also has gains in it. It takes time to achieve those gains. But they are there to be had.

Thank you for the encouragement! I measured in today at 6.25 BPEL at really good EQ. That’s 0.5 gained in a bit over 2 months. I’m ecstatic!

I agree. Here’s some armchair psychology for you:

Frequently, the people who push the idea that the true average is really much higher are people who are already quite large. Why? I conjecture that these are people with severe penis dysmorphia. It is easier to admit the average size is inflated and that there already large penises are not that big.

Were they to admit that they are already hung, they would have to confront the uncomfortable fact that their anguish is entirely mental.

Excellent!

I came here hurt from an ex wife’s comments. When I got over my dysmorphia, my life changed. Having a large penis didn’t fix a single problem.

I have a couple of thoughts on this. I suspect that personal experience for women is going to skew higher on the curve than the average. Perhaps not by a great deal but somewhat. I think this due to the combination of how many people I’ve met personally and how many stories I have read (here and elsewhere), of men who are average or below that have difficulty interacting with women because of it. In some cases it is downright crippling sexual anxiety. Combine this with the fact that most guys that are large are also very confident in their interactions with women. I don’t think it’s a controversial thing to assert that for most women the highest selectivity trait that they look for in men is confidence. The most confident guys tend to get the most girls, and the least confident guys tend to be left behind. This is of course a self-perpetuating cycle as being shot down when you do muster the will to put yourself out there further diminishes your confidence.

It follows then that the average girl, who has played the field thoroughly, is likely to have experienced more guys on the higher end of the curve than the lower. Closer to the middle will still be most common I suspect but my own personal experience has reinforced the idea. Nearly every girl that I have known well enough to talk about this stuff with (around 8), be that through a relationship or simply the close friendship, have had their own big dick story. Now, these are girls who have had between 10 and 20 partners, not dozens or hundreds. Granted my sample size is anecdotal and small, but it seems a statistical anomaly for each of them to have been with someone that, by their description, should fall within the first or second percentile.

To throw some doubt on that though, most women are not very good at judging the size of things. Most people in general, but I feel like when it comes to penises it’s exceptionally true for women. My wife has a favorite joke. It goes like this: “Why can’t women parallel park? Because we’ve spent our whole lives being lied to about how long 8 inches is!” I had an ex who spent 6 months swearing up and down that her new boyfriend was taller than me. I knew this guy, and knew that he was shorter. There was absolutely nothing that I could say to convince her that she was incorrect. She was absolutely flabbergasted when we finally all met up in person and I was a good three, maybe four inches taller. She was so sure and yet it wasn’t even close.

To add slightly to my previous (already too long) post, of those eight or nine girls that I’ve had these sorts of discussions with, only one of them was actually positive about those big dick encounters. She is a self-confessed size queen, and the type of girl who, as I discovered later, liked to mess with a guy’s head just for the fun of it.

The others all seem to regard their sizable interactions as amusing stories to relate but not particularly enjoyable.

We don’t see many 5 or even 6 inch BPEL guys here on Thunders. A starting size of 6,5-7,5 is more common I think. How come?

I would conjecture a few reasons:

1) Bad measurements
2) Simply guessing
3) Average sized men are more shy
4) Related to 3. Survivorship bias. People who are average do a bit of PE to see if it works. When it does, they enter their stats after already gaining.
5) Lying

I think your nr. 3 is a good point and it’s been on the table before. The other is possible but I think they are in a minority. I mean how hard is it to measure correct within a couple of mm and who is guessing??