Point at which you feel kegal

Bib, if it is possble to lower your erection angle through manual stretching and hanging then do you think that it is possible to higher it using upward strectches and ots hanging? I am worried that with my erection angle being at just above 9 o’clock with my best erection that it is going to be near impossible for me to gain from my ligs. I am currently hanging straight out and plan to measure for gains in 2 weeks time which will have given me 2 months at this angle, i tried btc for several months but gained little if anything. Is attacking the tunica the best option for me and if so is hanging ots the best angle? With the majority of peoples gains coming from the ligs, do think it is realistic to gain an inch or more from just tunica stretch?
Cheers,

jackthelad

Absolutely amazing. Here’s my story-

Over the 4 months, about the time DLD introduced the blasters to us all, I started concentrating on lig stretching. I assumed, blindly that my gain stagnation was due to not working the ligs, which I don’t recall ever directly concentrating on, so I went after them. I had minimal gains over the 4 month period. Over the past few weeks, I gave up on lig stretching, and decided to attack the tunica. I developed a modified A stretch using piping, and have been going all out on my tunica.

Now I read this. According to Bib, I already have long ligs (LOT at 7:00), so for more gains I should concentrate on tunica stretching. Interesting. Last four months, mostly lig stretching, minimal gains. I was putting alot of effort where the potential for gains was minimal, so that’s what I got.

Based on my last few weeks of tunica attack, I can see positive signs of length gains, but I don’t plan to measure until 4-4-04.

Based on my anecdotal evidence, Bib certainly nailed it… Amazing…

So Bib, based on your theory, for me to get future gains do downward stretching until my LOT is 6:00 the abandon it while hammering the tunica as much as possible? If so I’m stoked, as this is EXACTLY what I have settled into and it feels GREAT!

Hey Bib,

I know it has been said many times, but thanks for all the studies, info and support you have given me. I have pestered you many times via Email and post on the hanger forum. Usually they were the same question over and over again(had a problem wrapping and could not go over 12 pounds hanging without tremendous pressure in the head). I think I have solved my wrapping problem as I can now hang 15 lbs. BTC no problem. I don’t really know if I have learned to wrap better or my penis has just become more conditioned to handle the weight.

I too, like RB have been blindly attacking the ligs for almost 18 months using BTC hanging. This was getting me nowhere. Thanks to your studies I too am going to begin as RB said a ‘Tunica Attack’. I hope to accomplish this using fulcrum hanging and OTS, OTL and straight out hanging. I work from home so I should be able to put in some good amount of time.

Thanks for the study and the info you have given me. We at this forum are just so lucky to have people like you DLD, Jelktoid, RB and others(can’t mention everyone here because everyone has been supportive). You all have given so much to this community and gone way beyond what most would give in time, effort and patience.

Well I am off to find some PVC pipe so I can use this hang OTS in my office chair using the PVC to hang the rope over. Geez, my room looks like a never-ending science project. I have gadgets, theraband, hangers, weights, baby powder, rope,and pulleys all over the place. My roomate knows about my PE, but when others arrive I have to quickly gather all my ‘gadgets’ and throw them in the closet or under the bed. Makes for some interesting situations sometimes.

Thanks
Sappy1

Sappy et al…

When you search for pipe, make sure to get the biggest diameter possible that will fit between your hanger and the pubic bone. The more you can flatten your tunica around and object the more stress it places on it.

In this respect, I would guess manual stretching could be superior to hanging because you are able to stretch more tunica, ie, with a hanger the tunica trapped inside (2.5-4” depending on the model of bib used?) isn’t able to be stretched. This is significant, as the more tunica you stress and stretch, the greater the potential for gains. I surmise this is why DLD suddenly took off with his A stretch. It places fantastic tunica stretch over it’s maximum length…

Anyway, that’s what I’m thinking…

Bib,

This is truely amazing the amount of effort you have put in for us around here. Is it O.K. for me to say “Bib sure does not dick!” ? :)

If I get this correct are you saying that most of my gains will come from hanging/stretching, or at least that the potential is there? Or if those of us who fall into the catagory of having incredibly resilient ligs, shouldn’t we focus on tunica? Since that maybe the area of our greatest potential gains? Is it also possible I might have a resilient tunica? Boy now that I think about it I’m really confused.

puff

YGuy,

When I get more subjects, I will input your info and theirs into the spreadsheet. Thanks.

It looks like you have maximized gains from lig stretch. You probably need to work just on the tunica.

GK,

Yes, I remember the guy that said that. I remember at the time thinking how he had it ass-backwards and how silly it was.

jackthelad,

>if it is possble to lower your erection angle through manual stretching and hanging then do you think that it is possible to higher it using upward strectches and ots hanging?<

First, the stats, so far, have not indicated that any PE is responsible for lowering erection angle. Almost no correlation. I doubt that upward hanging angles would raise erection angles.

>I am worried that with my erection angle being at just above 9 o’clock with my best erection that it is going to be near impossible for me to gain from my ligs.<

What is your LOT? LOT has a much greater correlation to all significant variables than erection angle.

>I am currently hanging straight out and plan to measure for gains in 2 weeks time which will have given me 2 months at this angle, i tried btc for several months but gained little if anything. Is attacking the tunica the best option for me and if so is hanging ots the best angle? With the majority of peoples gains coming from the ligs, do think it is realistic to gain an inch or more from just tunica stretch?<

Give me all your informaiton that I requested above, and I will look at what you need to do. I think that almost anyone can easily gain an inch or better, solely from tunica stretch.

RB,

You can work on the ligs a little, but would probably be more productive concentrating on the tunica.

>In this respect, I would guess manual stretching could be superior to hanging because you are able to stretch more tunica, ie, with a hanger the tunica trapped inside (2.5-4” depending on the model of bib used?) isn’t able to be stretched. <

I don’t think this is true. A hanger does not stress only the shaft from the rear of the hanger to the base. The stress is spread out from the head, all the way inside the body. It is simple physics. If you climb a rope using just your hands, all the pressure is not on the rear portion of your hands, right?

In fact, I think a hanger could be better for stressing the tunica, because the attachment pressure can be stronger, providing for greater tunica stress, more uniform, and provide for a much longer period of stress, as compared to the hand. In general, I think most guys will benefit more, and be much more consistant with their routines, using a hanger than with manual exercises.

Sappy,

I hope this study helps you. You are one of the guys that I did it for. With a more pinpointed routine, and using the proper techniques, I have no doubt you can make really good gains.

Good luck,

Bigger

Bigger - Thanks for all that work. We really appreciate what you’ve done.

If not too much of a hassle and clear patterns begin to emerge it would be really interesting to have newbies enter their LOT info perhaps at Size’s Data Site and have the site spit out a suggested growth tactic to the newbie, much as it now calculates volume and gains.

avocet,

Cool idea!

Bigger

realpuffus,

Really good question.

>If I get this correct are you saying that most of my gains will come from hanging/stretching, or at least that the potential is there? Or if those of us who fall into the catagory of having incredibly resilient ligs, shouldn’t we focus on tunica? Since that maybe the area of our greatest potential gains? Is it also possible I might have a resilient tunica? Boy now that I think about it I’m really confused.<

No, this is fairly straightforward. Even though you probably have tougher ligs than average, the ligs are still, more than likely, going to be easier to stretch than the tunica, all other things being equal. If I were you, I would stress the lower angles to try and maximize the lig stretch and see about reaping the easy gains. “Easy” is relative. I think for guys like you, with a realtively high LOT, easy would mean hitting the ligs.

Bigger

Good stuff, Bib. I’ve been trying to think of a question to no avail. Seems logical and straightforward.

*I don’t think this is true. A hanger does not stress only the shaft from the rear of the hanger to the base. The stress is spread out from the head, all the way inside the body. It is simple physics. If you climb a rope using just your hands, all the pressure is not on the rear portion of your hands, right?*

I am having a hard time visualizing how the tunica captured by compression within the hanger is stretching. If it does, I’ll take your word for it.

RB,

>I am having a hard time visualizing how the tunica captured by compression within the hanger is stretching. If it does, I’ll take your word for it. <

Look at it this way. If the hanger did not allow for stress along the entire shaft, then how could guys possibly ever complain of high head pressure from hanging? It is a function of the tightness of the hanger, and the amount of stress.

Other than the points I outlined above, a hanger should be no different than a hand in application of stress.

Bigger

I guess I just assumed head pressure was usually the result of improper wrapping, hanger application or too much blood left in the glans to begin with. Really, I’m not doubting what you say, but I just assumed a hanger would work similarly to my grabbing a length of flexible rubber hose in a tight grip and the other end tied to a fixed object, then pulling. It would seem the majority of stress and stretch would be on the exposed hose, not the portion in my grip…

Bib my LOT is at 6 o’clock, at 8 o’clock i feel a slight tugback and then upwards from that i begin to feel more of a tugback with 12 o’clock feeling it the most, cheers,

jackthelad

LOT: 6:00
CURRENT” 8” X 6”
GAINED: 2”
PE TIME: 5+ MONTHS
ERECT ANGLE: 2:00

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