Point at which you feel kegal

Bib,

At 6:00 i still feel some tug back but very very slight. stats:
erection angle—10:00
started 5.5 x 5.5 (5x5 if you count my early years pumping) never mesured then.
currently 6.75bp length girth is 6.7 at the base, 6.5 midshaft and 5.75 at the scar (carrot dicked).
my current routine:
morning hanging 2 sets straight down @ 15minutes followed by 25 minutes jelqs, squeezes, pans, and uli’s.
Evening hanging 2 sets @ 15 minutes ots, 2 sets @ 15 minutes straight down. after my hanging i feel it right behind the balls, is this my inner penis? Is it still beneficial to hang straight down or btc? thanks

tally,

>I also know that SO or OTS are cited as better tunica stretches. Is there a preferred option amon those two techniques when first focusing on the tunica? I know both hit in a little different places. Is there value to splitting the difference, so to speak, between the two and hanging at a 45 degree angle over the back of a high-backed chair, or should one focus on one or the other?<

Yes, with an LOT of 6:30, you will have about 170 degrees of effective vertical hang. I estimate that when I was hanging, I would feel a different stretch with each 30 shift in hang angle.

I have always recommended hitting an angle and therefore a set of tissues until totally fatigued. With concentrating on solely the tunica, I do not know how effective this would be. But if I were you, I would try to do it. Maybe hang at one particular angle for a day, then change the next day.

For the tunica, I would do the DLD twists every day, and fulcrum hanging might be great. But I have no personal experience with fulcrum hanging.

Bigger

Hey Bib:

Read your “test” last night and tested several times. I lose my “tug” at about 5:00.

Been jelqing since Jan 1 2003. Did some light stretches up to this point, but have been stretching a little more for about 2 weeks.

Doing dry jelqs, ulis and light horses.

The last five days I can feel some lig freedom. Seems like it will work.

Interesting test. Do you have any anticipated expected results?

hobby,

> Oh, I should add that I didn’t feel any extra stretch from reverse kegeling when hanging SO. Is there a connection? Does this somehow relate to LOT angle? <

Could be. When you reverse kegal, you are pushing out tunica with the ligs still in the same position. The reverse kegal should put more stress on the ligs if the angle of hang is where the ligs can be hit in the first place.

Monsta,

How long have you been PEing? You left that out.

>after my hanging i feel it right behind the balls, is this my inner penis? <

Yes, and/or the root anchors.

>Is it still beneficial to hang straight down or btc?<

IMO and from the research, you are not going to get much more benefit from lig stretch. Attack the tunica with upper stretches, or at least above the 6:00 LOT. Also, DLD twists, and possibly fulcrum hanging. You can do the twists with the hanger, and then immediately apply the weight when finished.

Bigger

Elliott1225,

>Read your “test” last night and tested several times. I lose my “tug” at about 5:00.<

OK now, 6:00 is straight down, 9:00 is straight out, 12:00 is straight up. Do you mean your LOT is past straight down between your legs?

>Interesting test. Do you have any anticipated expected results? <

What is your length, gains and erection angle?

Bigger

Bigger its an honor to give my stats to one of the legends:

Full pull back on kegel at 12:00 , weak at 10:00, LOT at 9:00.

Erection angle: 10:30-11:00

Length/girth: 5.5” /4.75” ,pathetic I know :(

Gains in Length/girth: 0” / 1” , but lost 3/4” due to injuries and resting

PEing for: 8 months total: 3 months on, 2-3 months off, 1month on, injured myself, now resting for the past month or so.

Routine: Resting now to recover from injuries (thrombosed vein and discoloration)

Routine when I was PEing: jelqing, horse440s , started DLD’s A-stretch about 6 months in.

Hope this helps.

Bigger, Can you post plots of this data, particularly the plots that show significant correlation. A picture is worth a thousand words here.

Regarding the question that the tunica is still stretched in the hanger, I agree with you that the pressure due to the hanger is transverse to the tension on the tunica and so probably does not change anything.

Regarding gains and LOT, I think your theory on this whole thing is brilliant- but I have a question.

A premise here is that those with low LOT who got good gains once had a high LOT, before they stretched out their ligs. How true is this? What data supports it?

Some people who have low LOT have had great gains, others have had little or no gains. Is the difference really that those with great gains once had a high LOT? We need some proof that as the gains come, the LOT angle lowers, and then the gains taper off.

I know you’ve heard it before but I also want to say Thanks for making PE possible for everyone out here like myself who basically had no hope, and felt resigned to go through life with a small penis, like half a man.

I now intend to start hanging- it looks like I might be in a position for good gains.
I stand at the threshold of being a new confident man, with my heart in my throat and my dick in my hand..

skinneeD,

>A premise here is that those with low LOT who got good gains once had a high LOT, before they stretched out their ligs. How true is this? What data supports it? Some people who have low LOT have had great gains, others have had little or no gains. Is the difference really that those with great gains once had a high LOT? We need some proof that as the gains come, the LOT angle lowers, and then the gains taper off.<

No data that I have truly supports this. I would have to have all starting LOT values, which is impossible. However, the correlations are there. For the guys who have a high gains per month value, as the total gains go up, the LOTs go down. The relationship is highly negatively correlated (-0.76).

EX. Guys that have been PEing for a little while, and have high LOTs, have high gains per month. As time PEing goes on, and as gains increase, LOT values go down.

For guys with low gains per month, their total gains and LOT value is positively correlated (0.43).

If this trend holds true through many subjects, then I would say conclusively that LOT can predict ease of gains and total gains, and that the ligs play the lead role in this. Also, the LOT would conclusively determine the best angles for stress to optimize gains.

Other than that, I can only go by what I experienced. While I do not have a measure of my starting LOT, I know my exit point was very high, and my ligs were tight. Therefore, my LOT must have been very high.

There is no doubt that the length of the ligs in relation to the tunica determines LOT.

>I now intend to start hanging- it looks like I might be in a position for good gains. I stand at the threshold of being a new confident man, with my heart in my throat and my dick in my hand.. <

Good luck and ask questions,

Bigger

skinnee,

I forgot. When I get more data, or when it starts to fade out, I will try to post the entire Excel file. If that is ok with Thunder.

Bigger

My stats are: 8”(bpel)X5.75”(eg).

LOT :roughly 8

Erection angle: roughly 9

Total gain: 0.25” in length and 0.22 in girth in three months.

My routine: manual stretch in all directions 15 mins a day, jelqing 15 mins a day. 5 days on 2 days off type.

LOT 7:30

07-14-2002 7.00 BPEL 4.96 EG Start of PE
03-14-2003 7.51 BPEL 5.00 EG Last Measurements

EA (Erection Angle) 10:00
Started PE on The Experiment Team “B” saw good early gains.
Started Hanging Jan 2003 I am now up to 4 X 15 min sets with 7.25 lbs 5 days a week.

LOT: Around 7.30. My base moves downwards/in all the way to 6 o´ clock, but there is no visable pullback throughout the shaft.

Dimensions: 8.2x5.7
Gains: 0.4 EBPL
Time PEd: On and off for 2 and a half years
Erection angle: 10 o´ clock
PE techniques: Tried all of them

/sizemoore

If I am not wrong, those who have a higher LOT and with no significant gains should concentrate on lower angle stretches. Does lower angle mean pulling downwards? (A small correction Bib!, my LOT is 8.5 exactly)

LOT: if you mean the angle which the base comes back a little I lost that at 9oclock. I can still see the base flex at around 8-9 but it does not go in.
Dimensions: 7.5X5.25
Gains: .8 L and 0 for girth
Time PEd: On and off for 9 months
Erection angle: 10
PE techniques: lately hanging btc, have jelqed, powerjeqled, did some horses.

Want to recommend a routine?

Maybe i’m not thinking about this right - but i would have thought that for those who need to stretch the ligs they shouldn’t be doing tunica style stretching like straight up etc. Fair enough.

However - if you are stretching btc and your ligs have given as much gains as they can then your stretch is then going to transfer to the tunica - even although you are hanging straight down. Is this not why btc is the best stretch - as it stretches the ligs and the tunica at once????

again maybe i’m way off, if i am could you explain why you think this is not the case….

teoman,

> If I am not wrong, those who have a higher LOT and with no significant gains should concentrate on lower angle stretches. Does lower angle mean pulling downwards? <

That is correct.

pelearner,

>Want to recommend a routine?<

Stick with the BTC.

>However - if you are stretching btc and your ligs have given as much gains as they can then your stretch is then going to transfer to the tunica - even although you are hanging straight down. Is this not why btc is the best stretch - as it stretches the ligs and the tunica at once????<

AH HAH, you have it! You put it exactly correct.

Assuming a low LOT.

Assuming your ligs have stretched to allow all gains possible from lig stretch.

Assuming further gains can only come from tunica stretch.

Then, if you work at lower angles, low enough to allow the ligs to take some stress, then stress is removed from the target area, the tunica.

You want to only stress the tunica, and not allow the ligs to take any.

Having said that, I can think of a couple of situations where the only stress that can be applied might be to the tunica and somewhat to the ligs. In those cases, you just do what you can. The tunica will not get all the stress, but some is better than none. This situation might apply to an ADS system, or with DLD Blasters.

Bigger