Revisiting Plastic Deformation

I was again thumbing through one of my old physics books, carefully rereading the sections on Plasticity/Deformable Solids. While the penis isn’t actually a “deformable solid,” I believe that the tunica material - and especially the ligs - may loosely fall under that heading, for they are dense & resistant structures.

1. Consider that any solid object has its own natural shape because the force bonds lock the atoms of the solid together. When a solid object is stretched, twisted or compressed, the atoms are pulled away from each other. If the forces distorting an object are removed and the object returns to its natural shape, the object is said to possess elasticity.

2. If the distorting forces are sufficiently large, the object will not regain its natural shape and is permanently distorted (elastic becomes plastic).

3. If the distorting forces are too extreme, the solid object will crack; such forces continued will cause the object to eventually shear.

4. The limit beyond which an object loses its elasticity is referred to as its elastic limit. Above its elastic limit, the object is permanently distorted and is said to be plastic rather than elastic.

5. When an object shows plastic behavior, the bonds between the atoms in the object break and are re-formed with different atoms.

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In point #2, I don’t believe that “sufficiently large forces” necessarily means tremendous forces. I believe there is a Time-Force continuum at play. Anybody who’s owned a semi-automatic pistol knows that you’re supposed to rotate 2-3 different clips if you keep your gun loaded. This is because the constant compressional forces of a fully-loaded clip upon the springs will take the spring beyond its elastic limit, to the permanent distortion of a plastic state. This, of course, will interfere with proper feeding of the ammunition into the chamber, possibly causing the gun to jam.

Point #3 raises the concerns that Metal Ed and I and others have expressed about using extreme intensity - particularly with fulcrum type stretching, where great stresses can really be concentrated at various points of the penis. Who wants to tear their cock?

Point #4 summarizes what we’re after - in regard to lig & tunica stretching: Taking the tissues beyond their elastic limits, to a state of permanent (plastic) deformation.

As a side note, Point #5 answers the questions - in my opinion - about whether a PE’d cock is constitutionally the same as a natural cock. If plastic deformation (of the ligs & tunica) has actually occurred, then it was by the breaking of the bonds between the atoms, and then being re-formed with different atoms. It could be this phenomenon, at the atomic level, which might ultimately limit the gains an individual might make from PE.

some conclusions:

In my opinion, the above explanation scientifically proves that the penis can be truly enlarged - with sufficient effort & persistence.

Furthermore, I believe that sufficient levels of force must be maintained in order to promote the requisite “stresses beyond the tissue’s elastic limits, into plastic deformation.” I personally hold maximal stretches for 60-90 seconds per set (I use a clock with a second hand). Obviously, as I tire, the tractile forces cannot be maintained, but I often employ fulcrums to ramp up the intensity. And by the time my hands have become quite tired, I’ve subjected those tissues to many, many minutes of “distortional forces.” I believe that, in the scheme of the Time-Force continuum, this is the way to promote plastic deformation.

Of course, hanging is a very powerful approach, which also enables the PE’er to maintain a constant tension since inert objects are dangling from his weinie. And I believe this is why many hangers have reported significant gains, even after many fruitless months of manual PE.

Jelqing, of course, works the blood-holding spongy tissues - which clearly are not “deformable solids.” Clamping also maintains the pressure on those spongy tissues. While a traction wrap or ADS will compensate for the low level of force by the tissues being under tractile forces for a greatly extended period of time (again, the Time-Force continuum at work).

Any thoughts, suggestions, tips, criticisms, etc.???

- w a d

Wads-
>I don’t believe that “sufficiently large forces” necessarily means tremendous forces. I believe there is a Time-Force continuum at play.<

Agreed, yet I think there remains enough confusion as to what constitutes a “sufficiently large force” that this is worth going over as much and as often as possible.

We work length when in the flaccid state, and everyone’s flaccid length has a capacity, or a limit. If at anytime the tunica is stretched longitudinally beyond it’s natural capacity/limit, any amount or intensity of force beyond this should be irrelevant.
Essentially: Providing that “time” is an equal part of the formula, enough force is always enough force to encourage deformation.

If that can be agreed upon the question then becomes one of time, and in what amount(s) does it provide the best/most results.

On its surface one would think “all of the time”, if possible? But that ignores other considerations, such as healing and deconditioning.

This thread gave figures for failure of cadaver penises

Stretching the Tunica

From the figures I calculated failure at approx 160kg, this is underestimated too. Not 100% if my figures are right.

Usually plastic deformation occurs under very high force (the yeild strength) which is usually close to the ultimate tensile stress (failure). If you have a plastic rod you have to pull very hard and it will start to "neck", get thinner in one section and then soon after it will fail. Not sure about figures for tissue. Time for some searching.

I have also seen 40% of the failure force being mentioned in other threads about stretching ligs.

True. Furthermore, do the two values of Time and Force intersect to form an “optimal” formula? In other words, lets consider 10 lbs of tractile force for 1 minute to equal “10 minute-lbs” of work. Does the value of those distortional forces differ if 20 lbs of force would be used for 30 seconds, or 5 lbs of force for 2 minutes????

I think that is a key question.

This is interesting, Captn. So, you feel that once the weinie is stretched out taut (or slightly beyond), there’s no additional PE value to pulling it a little bit longer? I often question the force I use when I powder up good and have my unit in a firm fulcrum stretch. I can pull so hard that I can actually see my unit stretching out even further than what I thought was “max,” as well as seeing my noodle thin even more under such extreme tension.

Any value to that, or is it simply reckless???

- thanks

P.S., Trigger, that 160 kg sounds horrific. But even if you’re considering 40% of that to be the threshold, that’s still 64 kg (still over 140 lbs). Nobody, even Bib, hung at that weight. So, either the cadaver studies were faulted in some way, or the 40% figure is way off.

I was playing soccer the other day and a guy on the other team dislocated his shoulder. He was it in a little pain and popped it back in. He said that it was about the 7 or 8th time that it happened and that the pain was less for each time it had popped out. Unfortunately, he said that by now his shoulder tissues had stretched out so much that it took only a little contact for it to pop out.

That notion of extreme tissue stress and stretch had me wondering about PE, particularly after reading this post. Would it be possible to put such extreme stress at a single moment in time on the tally so as to permanently stretch the tunica and ligs by reducing the elasticity that allows the tissue to return to its previous size?

Theoretically, using the shoulder dislocation analogy, it seems like it could be done. Realistically, I wouldn’t dare risk that much pain or the potential for ED.

Okay, I think I understand. By “enough” you mean the same as “getting a little bit pregnant. You either are pregnant or you are not pregnant. Correct?
(Or, if you are an Eddie Murphy fan — “No such thing as bisexual. You either suck dick or you do not suck dick.)

Regarding your last point, I think all the time is the key to progress.
Do you think those African girls who put rings around their necks to grossly elongate them
consider such things as healing and deconditioning?

Wads

That certainly would be nice to know. But even with gobs of data I would imagine that individual differences in physiology would trump any “standard” formula.
I too have always been attracted to the idea that a versatile formula could be utilized wherein tension and time could be interchanged. But I’m not holding my breath.

One place where I hit a wall is when this anatomy we are seeking to “deform” is represented as analogous to inanimate material - not that you are doing that, but I know you’ll agree that this is what complicates matters a great deal. It is living tissue and behaves very differently than other materials that respond to stress in a predictable manner.

Yeah, but that is just one guys opinion: Any tension beyond what is necessary to strain the weinie’s threshold strikes me as redundant.

I guess if you can pull so hard that you see it stretch out “even further”, this is in fact you realizing your maximum stretch.
I have to remember that we are not always talking about hanging. I almost always view these matters through the eyes of a hanger and therefor think of what you just described, “stretching out even further”, as a given due to set length/force of gravity: At some point, provided enough weight is applied, a hanger always arrive at this place where he is “stretched out even further”.
I guess that is why I prefer to err on the side of caution when it comes to the amount of tension I apply. I suspect that an optimal amount of stretch can deteriorate very quickly into a dangerous amount. If not dangerous, it is at best, as I suggested before, redundant.

Using an inordinate amount of stress is also a nice way to bring on bruising, thrombosed veins, and some nasty skin related noodle injuries.

Wads, I could be completely fucked in this thinking on some scientific level - I’ll admit that right off the bat, but it is what has worked for me so far: Using just enough tension seems to be more than enough to see gains and remain injury free.

Ramalama,

True because obviously they get the desired result: a really long neck. But I have heard that were they to take off those rings and hop around the village for a minute their necks would snap in half. This is because the neck has not been conditioned to carry the weight of the head - the rings have taken on that role.

You need to use your pecker Ramsey - you need to hop around your village trying to snap it in half on some worthwhile poon.

Also, I remember Andrew Dice Clay using that dick sucking line. I thought Eddie Murphy said he wanted to marry a zebra riding “Zulu Bitch” who wouldn’t snap his financial solvency in half?

Give me half, Mister-Fuck-You-Man.

It was Dice.
I should have remembered that.

The Zulu: “Eeeddie, what have you done for me lately Eeeedie?

Dice: “You can smoke the baloney-pony on the street, but you can’t light up a smoke - OOOWWWHH!”

Now that you threw the thread off Rambo, I will say that “The Day the Laughter Died” is one of the greatest comedy recordings of all time, IMO. The White Album of comedy. Daring, spontaneous, ridiculous, and unlike anything before or since. The funniest unfunny recording ever. “Dice” was an extremely misunderstood, under-appreciated, much maligned invention of Andrew Clay and it will be at least fifty years before he receives the props he is due. The people who didn’t “get it” will all have to die first.

Back to penis.

The Day the Laughter Died literally changed my life. I have never been so amused from one man ripping the shit out of his audience using nothing but sex jokes and flithy one liners.

Mention the Diceman to any straight male and you’ll immediately see them light up with enthusiasm for his nursery rhymes. Dice made it ok to laugh at dick jokes and being a flithy pig.

Using common sense alone, it seems logical that the more tension exerted, up to the point of failure, the more deformation will occur (with time the tension is maintained being the second variable). If I pull on my dick hard, for 20 minutes every day for 6 months, I will not gain as much as if I pull on my dick even harder, for 20 minutes every day for 6 months.

Well, even if ones penis loses the potential to gain beyond the elastic limit, I would say that is very far off in terms of maximum gains. To me, and of course this is strictly and opinion.. As long as you have elasticity in your flaccid penis, you still have elasticity to gain with.

I also believe that strategic breaks for deconditioning will allow your penis to “return to normal” - in as much as that is possible - thus prepping yourself for another growth phase. I also think that impaction exercises (jelqs, ulis, clamping, etc.) will help to “fill it in,” so to speak.

I’m also starting to suspect that most guys have the ability to make some significant, even startling gains, if they’re willing to pay the price - of both effort and time. Pushing the envelope until the plateau sets in, then a break, then keep repeating this process, sometimes taking off 2-4 months or so. Such cycles could well take several years. I think most guys hit the wall, push on stubbornly spinning their wheels, then quit.

After my newbie phase (the first 4-5 months or so), my gains were never continuous or consistent, but came in clusters - usually following a break, whether intentional or unintentional. Nobody should keeping doing PE when all they’ve had was 1/4” in the previous year+ (I know, I speak bitterly from experience). This shit just shouldn’t work that way.

If you’ve gone 2-3 weeks, a month tops, without even a mm EL gain…..dude, somethings wrong. Even a mm per month isn’t even 1/2 inch per year. That’s shit. I know that many vets would take issue with that, so be it.

Even 1/2” a year to some is big gains over the long haul.. Hell, even a 1/4” gain in a year over many years is a significant gain! And yes, keep doing PE if this is all you see because in 5 years or so you will be posting your total gains and make many guys jealous :)