Should We Kegel Until Failure?

I’m getting back into kegels and I’m reading more about how it’s a muscle and that we should train them like we would in a gym. To near failure and progressive overload.

Is it wise to do that every other day along with reverse kegels, or can we get the same benefit from just maintaining a level of conditioning from doing them here and there daily?

How long can you hold a strong kegel for?

I haven’t ventured into reverse kegels. But I generally kegel to failure, especially while pumping. Strong contraction and hold for three seconds, until I can’t do anymore. In the six months that I’ve been doing PE, my ejaculations are stronger. Very much stronger. When I do this to failure, I may not be able to get a good kegel again until the next day. But it’s all more powerful.

I have better control (start/stop) of my urine stream. This was never a problem before, but now there is more force(?) behind it.

I’m not sure of the other benefits just yet.

I prefer fatigue over failure.

I asked a personal trainer who works in age care. He told me the PC muscle is just like any other muscle. Bicep etc. Having said that when I was traveling to work on the train flexing it gave me something to do.

what is age care?

Ok this is my first post but I will give you my opinion on the question you asked.
As someone has already mentioned the PC is a muscle and should be trained like a muscle. Unfortunately it’s harder to ‘load’ a kegel so progressive overload has to be done in another way. For example, more sets, more reps, longer reps (holds) and playing about with rest periods.

Now to answer the original question do you need to do them to ‘failure’.. I would say no!
Just like other muscles training to failure causes longer recovery periods which mean you won’t be able to train the muscle at a high intensity without adequate time off.

To quickly summarise. What I would suggest is treating it more like strength training in the gym. The goal should be to get stronger in the particular contraction pattern, so you focus should really be on getting better/more efficient at the exercise over training to complete failure.. Of course some amount of fatigue is ok but I still encourage you to focus more on performance improvement of the exercise over trying to fatigue the muscle.

After all, you want to get stronger in the PC muscle, you are not looking to have a big bulging PC muscle that’s not all that strong and no one can see anyway (maybe you are if that your thing bash on with the failure and drop sets 😜😁)

Hope this helps someone.

Apparently the trendy euphemism for geriatric care.

I agree with this point. I didn’t interpret the OP as one “needing” to do them to failure. I do them to failure simply because I enjoy doing them, so once I get started, I’ll do them to failure or until I’m distracted. I kinda assumed that others did it this way as well.

He is a personal trainer who works with the elderly. His goal is age appropriate training to allow them to be as mobile as possible for as long as possible.

How many kegels estimatedly is that? I know guys are different. But in your personal experience, how many could each do till failure for a 3 second hold?

The highest number that I logged is 200. But its less than that because I would switch it up whenever I got fatigued.

Okidoks. Ill try to aim 125-150 per day to start with haha.

Cool…if done right be careful. Your ejaculation can become dangerously powerful. haha.

Well I don’t know. I’m older so mine was improved. If you’re younger you’re probably already shooting across the room. haha. My lady choked the first time the stream caught both of us off guard.

Thanks. I also believe he should do them however he feels works best for him. With his main objective to progressively get better at them.

Maybe to failure works ‘best’ for him or other people. If it does then great! Continue on your path of progression.

Try different methods and see which you find most suitable for making progress.. Also I would work on actually trying to just really relax the area from time to time, as in focus and really let it relax and balls hang 😆 spend some time doing it, almost like meditate.

I’ve heard some people develop tightness in this area, and that also can cause problems.. This is something I actually do from time to time.