Regarding the first PE Survey and suggestions for the second one:
First off I want to thank remek for all the time and effort he put into this project. As usual, I was late getting to really examine the results thread:
The PE Survey results!
but after doing so I have a few comments that I felt would be better addressed in another thread, so I put them here. There are two very controversial elements have risen that need to be addressed and carefully worded in the next survey, and now a third element has reared its ugly head. They are as follows:
One: The worn out issue of whether or not PE pills work
Two: The even more worn, doe’s masturbation effect gains
Three: Can the survey be compromised by pill pushers or multiple entries?
I will address the last issue briefly, because my knowledge of this is limited. I feel this particular concern is better left in the hands of those more literate on the technical end of computer issues. I am a writer by trade, and although I use these machines in my work, I know little about them. When I have a computer problem I pay someone to fix it. Although there is little doubt in my mind that the integrity of such a survey could be compromised by any hacker with the intent to do so, the question that arises is why someone would go to the trouble.
The survey is in itself time consuming, and I can’t honestly see anyone going to the trouble of purposely sabotaging the results, especially on the matter of masturbation effecting gains. In the unlikely event that some PE pill manufacture is trying to control aspects of the survey for financial gain, perhaps this is something we need to look into. I don’t feel this happened in the first survey, but now that such a ruckus has been made about it, it may very well be attempted in the next second one, because we have tipped off any potential scam artist who may have been lurking here. So special efforts need to be taken to ensure against this sort of “Cheating” in the second survey, and I know we have members here such as Thunder,Mem and Stevie and probably many others who are skilled in safeguarding the integrity of such a project. The wiki sounds like a good idea to me, although I know nothing of using it.
Thunder suggested that someone using a proxy server might be able to manipulate the survey. I’m not clear on this. For instance, I have a proxy server on my network in my home office. (I think I do, anyway). I believe that icon is still in my Network Neighborhood, although I seem to recall that was the doorway for a Trojan virus that wiped me out last year, and I think its use has been eliminated. There are five computers in my apartment all connected together with a router, or a hub I believe it is called. Mrz. G. and I both have our own account with the forum, but I only have one IP for that network. So, let’s say for sake of argument that I wanted to vote on a poll or participate in a survey five times once from each computer in my apartment. Couldn’t’t a moderator see that although five different machines were used, all the votes where coming from one or two accounts and from the one IP? The only way I can see, in my limited wisdom, a pill pusher scamming us like this, is if they had a very large network and a lot of accounts to have any significant effect on the results of the survey. Even then could it not be detected that all events were coming from a common IP address?
As far as the other two issues, I think people may have been misread on the pill and masturbation topic for the following reasons:
I personally agree with the pills and the ejaculation analogy to some degree. I know NXO2 really plumps me up and helps with girth work, and edging most certainly makes a difference. I think one should NEVER ejaculate during or shortly after girth work. Hanging, it doesn’t’t matter, but holding back in the tube or the clamp really does make a difference, or at least it does for me. I won’t even cum inside a WOMAN on the days I work girth. I still have intercourse every day, I just don’t ejaculate.
I have alluded to the use of pills and celibacy for girth work for years, in most of my threads, all of my earlier threads. But I’m not talking about the use of Penis pills to permanently make you bigger, but supplements (vasodilators) such as arginine, or better yet, salts of arginine like all the NXO2 products. These VDs do help with girth work no doubt about it. I feel they have played a big part in the girth I have now.
Recently I’ve replaced the NXO2 with the liquid Calis because it works much better, but for most men it’s just too expensive to use for PE, even buying it from kitsnmore. However, for those on a budget, the Walmart brand of NXO2 will work just fine. You just have use a lot of it, but it is cheap.
Now, I do agree that products like Elongate, or Enzyte and even some of the topical creams like Enlarge are a waste of money. Pills like this really ARE rip offs. They all have the basic supplements we all know and use for PE. Nothing in a bottle will give you permanent gains on its own. But in my experience a lot of these supplements make your dick harder while they are in your system and make it hang bigger soft. Just like with Calis or Viagra you will have a better hang while you are on the drugs, because all the veins and arteries are dilated so the flaccid is full of blood and hangs heavy, but as soon as you stop taking them, or take any vasoconstrictors such as ephedrine, or an ECA stack (like I do to run and swim) your flaccid will shrink back up. But what these drugs do while you are on them help tremendously with girth work. They also happen to be real handy for sex, and the fact they leave you with a nice heavy blood enriched flaccid is just a little icing on the cake.
And as far as ejaculation: edging, or just holding it as long as you can while you are clamping or pumping is very beneficial to girth gains. It has helped me a lot. If I ejaculate after girth work I lose girth immediately, where as if I hold it back a few days (the more the better) I keep the post girth workout engorgement for several days without turtling. “And believe me, keeping the penis as thick possible for as long as possible builds girth. I’m not alone with any of this. I’m sure lots of members feel this way about the Pill and Ejaculation issues, so any questions on the second survey should carefully address these two topics for accuracy.
In closing let me say this:
I can easily clamp and pump myself into a faux-seven-inch flaccid girth that will last about five days, if I don’t ejaculate. In fact I plan to do this Labor Day weekend, for a nudist camp bike rally outside Weatherford. I can also assure you the aforementioned supplements with be coursing through my enlarged arteries, and I know I will be hanging nicely. So in this case, at least for me, Pills and Celibacy do work and are beneficial to PE.
BG