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Have you heard of the HST routine?

I wonder if there is any way to transform the HST weight lifting routine in to a PE routine?

Like hanging with 2 pounds for 2 weeks, Then 4 pounds for 2 weeks, Then 8 pounds for 2 weeks, And then an 11 days deconditioning break, And then start on a new cycle at 2 pounds.

Maybe that would actually work for PE also?

Thats the link to the forum for HSTers

In my opinion, it’s the best routine for hypertrophy for natural lifters.

I don’t have a clue regarding the tecnichal PE but I guess that what HST proposes might suit well for PE too, maybe with some variation.

In a few words, the basic principles of HST are as follows:

1 - frequent training

The period under which we grow not necessarily matches the one needed to recover muscles from one workout to another. Overall, we won’t grow significantly after 48 hours of training. So, we are not supposed to train hard enough so we would need more than 48 hours of rest. That implicates in less workout volume (sets*reps).

2 - progressive overload

Don’t remember the scientific evidence, but the idea is: to stimulate continuing growth, we need to increase the load every workout. The “step” we should increment must be based in a previous known max load, divided by the number of workouts, making sure the first workout has enough load to stimulate growth.

3 - strategic deconditioning

Every x weeks we need some time off. That has been known for a while, but HST suggest some well defined cycle: 2 weeks doing 15 reps, 2 weeks doing 10 reps, 2 weeks doing 5 reps, and depending on how we feel, 2 extra weeks doing 5’s including negatives and dropsets drop sets drop-sets droplets droplet’s dropouts dropsy’s deposits droopiest dropout’s —manual input—, than, after that, 2 weeks off.
The idea of the 15-10-5 microcycles micro cycles micro-cycles microscopes megacycles microscope’s microcircuits megacycle’s microscopy’s microcircuit’s —manual input— is to expand range between the starting weight and the final weight, in other words, take advantage as much as possible of the progressive overload principle. The idea of the 2 weeks off is to prepare ourselves to be able to stimulate growth with small loads in the beginning of next cycle, starting with veeeeery low loads and slow sets of 15 reps.

Well, I am a newbie in PE so I invite all experts around to discuss the possibility of adapting HST principles to a PE routine.

Regards

A lot of guys have showed interest in the “Peter Dick method”.

There seems to be a little bit of confusion about exactly what I propose.
When you follow this method, it doesn’t mean that you should start pulling and bending your dick without any structure what so ever.

I still suggest that you follow an outlined routine, so you can track what works and what doesn’t.

The main points of the “Peter Dick method” are as follows,

1. Never do the some routine 2 days in a row.

2. Never give your dick a chance to adapt.

3. Always change the exercises you do.

4. Always change the amount of effort and time you spend doing an exercise.

5. Always change the intervals of your rest days.

6. Always keep your dick guessing what comes next.

By following these points, my dick is now 40% larger in volume in only 5 months.

Please feel free to post your results of following this method in this thread.
Good luck, and may all your big dick wishes come true. :)

Peter, congratulations to your great gains!

Could you briefly list all the different exercises you do ?

Do you only do manual exercises or do you also include hanging, pumping and so on.?

To be honest. I totally agree taking breaks and then coming back to the hard work. De-conditioning and starting from scratch seems to be like starting from the beginning of PE but from a longer and somewhat thicker beginning. I have read that muscles have memory perhaps so does the penis structure and taking a break and then going hard at it could perhaps produce better results with less work. I would be interested in what Thunder has to say on this, from a scientific point of view. In my own PE I have noticed taking a break for a few months then coming back seems to produce what I’m looking for. This is just my opinion but it seems to work for me.

I think taking breaks is a good thing, thats why I take two to three days days off a week usually. And I have noticed the first day back is a very good session.

What if you only need three days for total de-conditioning to take place? Arent you then waisting, 27 days to shrinkage and lose of size? Where you could be continuing to grow, instead you’re not doing a thing. And if de-conditioning was true, wouldnt it make sense to only PE once or twice a month? That way every session would be a newbie gains session? I just dont believe in de-conditioning, I think most newbie gains arent real gains. I think most newbies come from having poor erections to having good erections.

De-conditioning theory is good for people who are just trying to maintain to try out. And I’ve noticed this is usually what happens, you guys reach you’re goals and think of ways to cut back, or do less and still grow.

I’m almost there, I’ll be putting forth my junk food gives you a big dick theory before long.:)

I would have to disagree with this theory. I think you can use a couple exercises your entire career and still make great gains. Switching things up might keep you mentally fresh and help you avoid getting sick of PE, but your penis does NOT know the difference between a horse 445 and an uli.

Just like your biceps don’t know the difference between a concentration curl and a hammer curl. But they know the difference when the load is increased/decreased, which causes them to grow ala HST.

Peter has a great point and I’m very interested in his principle. I have often wondered if the penis holds the same responses as muscle tissue, while the penis may not be a muscle it does contain muscle like fibres. I’ve often thought of incorperating bodybuilding techniques into PE.

(I know Peter’s methods were not BB’ing related originally, I was just stating)

I agree to a certain extent..

I started out at 6x5, and am now 7.75x5.5, I PE’d from January to June, and haven’t PE’d since.

The way I did it is I simply got more & more brutal.

I started out slow and gentle for 15 mins 3 times a week, and by June I was going for 60 mins or more 4 times a week.

I believe the penis adapts to any routine you can throw at it, so as I began to notice gains, I increased the duration and ferocity of the sessions.

Like you would if you was lifting weights or training for a marathon.

Good idea guys.

You gained 1.75” in 6 months! Those are fantastic gains, man!

Thanks dude I was quite happy with it.

I was at uni at the time so I could afford to spare an hour or more playing with my wang, but these days I just don’t have the time.

Shame really, my new years resolution was to get an 8 inch wang!

By the way I was taking Arginine, Ginkgo Bil-boa, Ginseng & multivitamin pills throughout, which must have contributed to some extent.

And I owe it all to thunders place :)

Just a shame I don’t have anyone to use it on at the moment!

I don’t do pumping and hanging right now, but I will definitely include them in the future.

These are the exercises I use right now in my routine:

Manual stretches

Wet jelqs

Dry jelqs

Ulis

Clamping

Bends

Squeezes

I was thinking of starting a new thread but instead I chose to bump this one, Because this thread is about the same thing that has been on my mind lately.

I have also noticed the same as Peter Dick, The average PEer seems to gain 1/2” in the first months of PE, But then things really slows down, And as he wrote, A lot of the oldtimers gained a lot in the beginning but have not gained for years (or they are not telling us about it). So why is this? And what can we do to keep gaining?

As for myself the gains has also slowed down a lot. I started using an extender in April this year, Started NPE one month later, And gained quickly in the beginning. I have been wearing the extender for more than 1000 hours now, And I am calculating the progress and hours wearing it, Now it seems that I have to use my extender for 100 hours to get a 1mm gain in FSL, So why do I even bother? Well I am still gaining from it, And the theory behind the extenders (stress stimulates cell growth) has been proven to work.

My FSL has been stuck for quite a while now, And after getting the advice to start hanging from Mr Nine and Workoutguy (thank you guys), I started hanging. After hanging one hour a day for four days, My FSL has increased with 3 mm!!!

The normal thing to do now would be to continue to hang every day, And increase the sets and weights as time goes, But is this the smartest way to go?

I agree with Peter Dick that you should change your excercises, But if you change them everyday then you will still do the same excercises every week?

I have an idea that I belive could work better than changing your routine everyday, And I have decided to try this out to see how it works.

This routine is basicly the Newbie routine (warmup, stretching, jelging) 2 days on 1 day off, And wearing the extender as long as possible every day, But every weekend I will do a marathon routine to boost the gains a little. Weekend one I will do a marathon pumping routine, And weekend two I will do a marathon hanging routine. This will give you a two weeks break between each pumping routine and each hanging routine, And hopefully this could be the solution to keep the newbie gains coming even if you are not a newbie?

Great input Kristian.

I also believe in marathon sessions once in a while to shock your dick.