The secret to continued gains.

Pud,

Sounds good. If you are going to start haning, I suggest trying an ADS first. PE weights are very useful, convienent, and inexpensive.

Also, if you are going for length gains, try some JAI stretches. They are great for gains, and simple to incorporate.

That would work great. As long as you don’t do the same routine 2 days in the row.
Constant change is the key.
From now on, this will be known as the “Peter Dick method”. :D

OK,

Since we are naming things after ourselves:

The next time you go to a restraunt, order an “Aaron Kemmer.”

I dont know what Aaron Kemmer means as for food, but I think you just posted your real name. Isnt that true?

Kemmer bacwords without the double m is remek…you are a smart cookie man.

Yep It’s sad to say the longer you PE the harder it is to get gains. Long breaks maybe the key but who can stop long enough without the fear of losing size to get him to start again. I gained really well the first year and pretty good the 2nd year than after that it was bloody jungle battle for each tiny gain. I’m pretty close to my 2nd goal of 9x7 and I did reach my first goal of 8x6 so I’m very happy with my size and I’m not as driven as I once was but I still have been more consistent than most on the forum. My new thing to get my length gains going is I’m going to be wearing an all day stretcher from Monkeybar I will let you all know how it goes. I have high hopes for this thing I’m pretty sure at the very least it’s going to increase my flaccid and at the best I’m going to get some erect length gains. Guys I wish I knew the secret all I can say is keep at it and keep on trying new things. I took a break from clamping this week due to some pain in the head of my penis I might have over did it a bit and the pain has passed.

Wise words, Dino. Good luck with the ADS.

Peter,
I hear you man, your idea of a non-structured path sounds good to me. I’ve done alright in about 2 1/2 years. I never was able to develop a set routine, count reps, or worry too much about structure or days off.
When I could, I would blast my cock with dynamite and when I couldn’t due to skin,etc., I would find a way to go around what needed left alone.

The only thing I do know for sure is I counted minutes while hanging, sometimes I couldn’t even do that and relied on conditions to tell me when to take the hanger off.

I have been jealous of guys that can log the many hours, minutes, exercises, and so on. To keep this shit from driving me insane, I just rolled with the flow to see where I would wind up.

Dino, How do you know what the stress is of the Monkeybar?

Peter Dick. Your method may very well be the secret to my gains. I’ve always mixed it up pretty well doing everything possible as much as possible. Now I only clamp, Fowfer, wear lead weights and drink wine. I guess this would be the Girtha Method.

:gulp:

Ouch. Thats a little harsh on everyone else! All gainers, and all non-gainers, for that matter, deserve respect.

Peter Dick, you have a great point, its extremely logical.

But it all comes back to “what works for one may not work for another”, and I think this statement still stands firm here.

I think that some people will gain better by switching their routine up, whereas others will gain better from a steady routine, slowly adding reps/time.

Having said that, if it works for you (and several others it seems) then stick to it.

My only concern is that newbies, who are gaining, will now decide to change what they’re doing, which may backfire, when you consider the statement “If it’s not broke, don’t fix it”.

Despite everything I’ve just said, I just want to make clear that I do think you have a very strong point, and I appreciate the fact that I may have sounded like I was disputing it, but I’m not. Er….ok? :)

I don’t, I can tell you this I get a nice tug so far I really like it I just got the stronger one a couple of days ago and have been wearing it. When Monkeybar thinks his monk is ready to sell I will write a review on it in detail but so far I like it a lot.

Mr Nine

Thanks Bro I will let you all know if I gain even a smidgen

In defense of routines, I have to say that without structure of some sort your results would have to be as chancy as your organization talent. My intent is not to sound critical but to advocate keeping track of where you are and where you’ve been so you know where to make changes. To do just everything in every way and then call it good is just fantasy exercises. If you don’t keep track of what you do then how do you know what works and what doesn’t? To say it all works may be fine for you but for most people they need some form of organization to kick off with and they don’t want to waste time doing what doesn’t work. Most people are gaining this way and by doing so they know when they’ve plateaued and can do something about it. All you can do with the “SECRET” is more of the same. I say lets narrow down what works with empirical results and pass it on to others.

I can respect your position, Monty. Some folks live with structure and guidelines, others live to destroy it. :)

This leads me to a question for anyone: Is it laziness or faith?

That is a great question. I would not and don’t believe I have ever done something that didn’t work. I don’t understand how some of the vets or senior members here encourage a monthly or semi monthly measurement to see if something is working and then a few posts later tell a guy that that 1/8 he gained in a month is “newbie” gain.

I can’t help but conclude that most methods work and the problem is some of us “old timers” are demanding newbie gains which aren’t going to happen. This is a long road, years for most, let’s take the blessing of a newbie gain and realize the rest is a LOT of elbow grease.

We need a “I am throwing in the towel” thread so everyone who does this is counted. That would be the most helpful thing to hit this forum. I have been guilty of making things seem too easy here and that is a disservice. We do a good job of making this seem so easy and we know better, or at least the guys doing the stuff know better.

Thanks

I change up what I do simply because of the sheer bordom of keeping with the same routine. I seem to be making tiny but steady gains so I’m happy with the approach.

BPL 7 7/8
EG 5 3/8 Base 6

I am a personal trainer, I train all sorts of people, and even bodybuilders are supposed to take a couple days off. Changing the routine frequently is also a must, so both ideas seem to be right.

After reading this tread, it reminded me of a bodybuilding article I read years ago in Muscle Media by Bill Phillips. (The creator of EAS and Body for life) The article was called "Anabolic Bursting Cycle (ABC), and discussed the body’s ability to adapt to hormonal changes within the body in just 14 days. They recommend changing things up every 2 weeks to keep the body guessing.

Here’s a little quote from the article:

"The two-week calorie cycles are based on scientific evidence and empirical data. In one study by Forbes, et al., entitled the "Hormonal Response to Overfeeding,"2 it was demonstrated that when test subjects started with a maintenance-calorie-intake diet and then went on a nutrition program that provided 1,200 to 1,600 extra calories a day, their blood tests showed a progressive increase in IGF-1, testosterone, and insulin [which doubled in 14 days!], all in concert with an increase in lean body mass. However, the hormone levels peaked and began to decline on day 14 of the high-calorie diet! This is a very important observation."

Full article here:
http://www.musc lemedia.com/tra … de/v58_abc1.asp