What's a fair cut off point for newbie gains?

It seems that basically any PE you try produces newbie gains, but after the newbie gains the rules of the PE game seem to change and some techniques work and some don’t. What works for newbies doesn’t seem to work for seasoned PE’ers. So I don’t think we should evaluate the efficacy of PE techniques for seasoned PE’ers by what works for newbie gains.

What’s a fair cut off point for newbie gains? Is it a matter of time or a matter of inches?

Is it fair to say after the first year newbie gains have been exhausted?

Is it fair to say that after 1 - 1.5” of length gains newbie gains have been exhausted?

What do you guys think should be the cut off point for newbie gains?

And what do you think causes newbie gains to stop? Why does PE suddenly become more difficult? My bet is collagenization of the penis or the elastin being stretched too thin causes the difficulty after a certain point.

Are there any perpetual newbies that continue to gain for many years at the same rate they did when they first started, assuming they had rapid gains when the first started (some don’t for some reason)?

The short but obvious answer, once you find the correct combination and start producing gains…. and then you plateau for a number of months, you may have completed your newbie gains.
The key here is “may.”
If then you are able to make an adjustment and thing get going again… they could still be considered newbie gains but more importantly, they are gains!

Bottom line, it has nothing to do with time or amount gained but it can be easily identified on all of our PE Stats Graphs.

Go through some members stats and check out the graphs, amounts gained vary, length of time varies… but you will clearly identify when/where the newbie gains stopped.

Others will chime in, I just thought I would give you one conservatives thoughts on your question.

Examples

Crap,
Totally forgot to include one other item, many of the vets and those that have been able to continue making gains are the biggest promoters of rest days and decon breaks.

One of the benefits of breaks is to be able to continue getting “newbie” gains regardless of how long someone has done PE.

Deconditioning breaks is definitely something I should investigate further. I had to take a month off my normal PE routine while traveling somewhere and when I returned I was surprised to see I had actually gained a bit more length during that time.

I recently ran a small test of doing pumping once every three days instead of once every two days, but it didn’t seem to produce any breakthrough.

How long of deconditioning breaks do vets advise? And during a decon do they mean completely stopping all PE activities, or just some?

I wonder if the amount of time until someone plateaus or the minimum effective decon break correlates with anything else.

I know that some capillary development drugs stop working after 10 days, while full capillary development actually continues for some time the tissue becomes desensitized or the substance becomes obsolete. If capillary development drives PE, I don’t see why the process couldn’t become tolerant to signaling molecule releases from mechanical stimulation the same way. There’s a stage at which immature capillaries are pruned also if they don’t have enough blood flow and maybe continuously triggering the spawning of too many immature capillaries causes all of them to be gradually pruned instead of developing fully.

Then there’s collagen remodeling.

Sig,
Sticking with the obvious - damn impressive unit sir and congrats on the great gains!

We have some similarities with our gains. Improving 1-3/4 plus in length and 1 plus in girth (but you started at an impressive 7” on top of that… fecker. Lol).

Just some random thoughts here… for the discussion:
The other approach to answering your initial question is to look at the routines.
If you are able to continue to see gains with what would be considered ‘newbie’ style routines; less then what 30-40 minutes of stretching, jelqing, maybe a Bathmate being used in newbie fashion (15 min or less routine) then I would kinda say those gains could still fall in the newbie category.

But, when those routines have resulted in month long plateau’s and you are now incorporating what would be grouped as more advanced exercise and maybe longer sessions to see small increases… that is past the newbie stage.
Also grouped with passed the newbie stage would be when you are making up your routines based on lessons learned.

Sticking with the random thoughts here…
Although maybe not directly stated but many respected vets pretty much express that all gains are newbie gains. It is critical that a full decon is done so the penis is ‘surprised’ by the exercise and responds by growth.

While other vets (Big, DLD, etc) go the other way and approach it as you have to break down and wear out the tissue so that by a fatigue factor you are able to see new growth. Taking a decon by this theory is counter productive and will lead to a full start over to see results.

The thing is… based on results we know both theories are correct and both theories are incorrect.

Someone like me, I was raised in what what be considered a pretty extreme athletic environment where training was done many hours a day for 11 months of the year. With that, there were all the normal injuries plus some non-normal ones, so has my body been conditioned to respond to healing differently then someone else’s? Or worse, is my brain conditioned to develop training routines that don’t trigger the correct stimulus to generate penis gains?
Not sure… this is shit I think about too much though, lmao!