I'm about ready to give up. Extender users please comment.

Random thoughts, no particular point.

• I have about 1100 hours of noose extending and I gained about .75” but have not seen much in the last few hundred hours. It’s kind of slow going now.

• The Madrid study is the only one where the participants went beyond a thousand hours using an extender, and they continued to see gains up to about 1800 hours. The people did not take days off, they used the thing quite a few hours per day. Can’t recall how many right off the top. They saw about .75 inches per thousand hours.

• I tried the strap technique and the VacExtender techniques, they simply did not work for me. Noose is the only way to go for me. By the way, I settled on McMaster Carr 3/8” diameter, 96505K24 cord. Dirt cheap and lasts a long time. Long time.

• I concur that noose extending (“barebacking”) toughens the glans corona. I have a much bigger better one now than before. This was an unexpected side effect and a welcome one. The corona ring on my helmet looks much better now than it did before PE, tougher bigger and more leathery looking. I love it.

• I think that ligament stretch is where most of us see early gains. After that it slows way down, and we are pulling something else in there, hard to say what. But I do think more gains are coming and there to be had after that first easy inch, although the rate will be less and the hours greater to get it.

• The way I measure BPEL is a bit unusual, but I have a lot of faith in its accuracy. I vacuum pump for about 15 minutes with 10Hg pressure, then measure using the marks on the tube. It is a very accurate way to do it although it is a “pumping measurement” and not a normal measurement. The two should be closely related I believe.

• I make my own rods out of aluminum stock. My basic rig is an X4 and I turned some rods to go with it. Good rods are essential in my opinion, as well as adding personal touch to using a weird device on your dick all the time.

OK, you’re right. I hadn’t considered it from his point of view, in that particular scenario. I’d be pissed too. It wasn’t just a nonchalant comment. But from my perspective, being at that size, having gained an inch but still trying to gain more, means that appreciation that he is nicely above average enough is practically non-existent.

I still maintain that person in that position, who will never be called small, never rejected for his size, never have to avoid and pass up the chance to be with truly beautiful women (avoiding relationships with them altogether) and instead go for ugly chicks in unsatisfactory sexual encounters due to warranted insecurity of being under-sized and who is able to satisfy any decent woman and fill her up, should be grateful for that and be living their life fully putting that thing to good use instead of countless hours working on their dick.

The motivation is clearly not a real, objectively substantiated lack of size, clearly, as he is considered around the perfect size with most women, but, in my opinion with self-image problems. Certain more about faulty self-perception.

I recently listened to an audio-book, by Dr Maxwell Maltz on his book on Psycho-cybernetics. Initial only because I got it free, as I still thought all that kind of ‘picture yourself this way’ stuff was all new-age self-help nonsense but still had a little curiosity, but he changed that perception immediately. He gave many examples of patients coming to him for surgery, having their problems fixed on the surface, with absolute nothing to worry about, but still perceiving themselves as inferior or retaining the same baggage, mentally and emotionally. The self-image is a powerful thing, and can be changed.

I may have sounded harsh, but in all honesty, it would be far better, easier and more rewarding spending the time to deal with the self-image problems to get rid of the need to feel like where he is at is not enough, than wasting hundred/thousands of hours in an unnecessary pursuit.

I doubt that advice will sit well with many here, who may take offense, but these people of a certain above-average size and higher, who still are as desperate to see gains as genuinely small guy who really has to put up with the torment and personal agony of a small prick for real, would be better of accepting it then facing years of work with no rewards.

So, what is the proper means by which to measure BPFSL? When you pull, the tissue seems to pyramid making the measurement difficult to obtain.

Also, since so many rave about the superiority of the noose as compared to the strap, maybe I’ll give it a shot.

Very well put Bro and I agree. It took me the longest time to realize I had a big cock, I was never small, I was average and then I had one of those “is it in yet” (I have a thread running about it if you want to read it)moments, and learned about PE and then made great gains and it wasn’t till I was past eight inches and had many girls tell me I was big that I finally started losing my phobia of “is it in yet” and so now even though I don’t try very hard anymore I would never let myself lose any size because I’m still that same guy. I never even thought about my dick until that comment, I was totally happy with my regular sized dick. With that said I took that comment and used it for fuel to grow a dick I’m extremely happy with so I guess it turned out for the best after all. But sometimes I think would it be better to never have never gotten the comment and never knowing about PE. Well I don’t want to highjack his thread, nice talking with you though :)

I measure BPFSL pulling with my right. I run my left hand up the underside of my left testicle. I pull everything out of the way until I hit bone. Kind of like a hernia check.

Andgrowing-

You have my sincerest vote for usefulness of the noose method. It is the ONLY method for me personally, and I did try several other methods. Bareback noose extending is a “hard” technique in that it requires some skill and ability to apply the noose properly, because all the pressure in that cord can be hard to handle at high tension settings. But once you find your fitment and tension, and build up some toughness in the helmet ring, it is a great method because it does not slip off, blister, or feel all that uncomfortable most of the time. I should say that I use a pretty good bit of tension with my noose, and I do not think the fact that I can do only about 4 hours day really means the noose is harder than other methods. I have a smallish glans, the pressure is pretty high around the back of my helmet, but with good feel, fit, and head swell it works fine.

The noose set up that came with my extender has some memory foam padding that goes around the cord used for the noose. Any thoughts on using it? Also, you mentioned that you had tried other methods before. Was the strap one of them and what was it that lead you to choose the noose over the others? Comparison and contrast would be great.

Let the experimentation begin. In the past I tried

• Stock medical grade 3/16” clear noose cord- same stuff they package with the kits. Wears out fast, expensive, and stretches too much. Slip factor isn’t bad but it does slip.

• Foam wraps for nooses. These are not a bad idea at all, but they add complexity to setting up the rig in that you also have to slide the noose into the foam, and they increase the slip factor because of being larger than noose alone. They also increase the comfort factor, but at a steep price. Between the added slip and fuss and cost I choose not to use these. By the way, there is also a type of thin foam medical tape available at Walgreens for cheap that does the same thing. You cut off a piece, wrap the noose with it and it sticks to the noose somewhat. I used that for a while.

• VacExtender. This is a clear cup and soft silicone rubber sleeve that you put over your penis and it pulls on a cross brace at the end. It uses suction instead of mechanical action (noose etc.) to grip the penis. The problem with this method is the blisters. You will get blisters that take a week or more to heal. During that time you do zero PE. How many blisters you get seems to be related to individual anatomy, in that a tough glans will not blister as much as a soft one. I have a soft one and this device was a disaster for my penis. The website does not explain the risk very well, although it hints that there is a risk. You can manage blister risk by using foam tape on the glans, use less tension, longer sleeves, etc. But NONE of these techniques ever made it stop blistering my dick like blockbusters, so I gave up on it after 6 months of attempting to use it. In the time I used the VacExtender on my X4 Labs penis extender, my PE hours went way down and my injury factor went WAY up. I therefore cannot recommend this device. The replacement sleeves are also impossible to source other than through the company (I tried), tear easily, wear out, and are costly.

• Other types and sizes of noose cord. Like I said above, this is what I do now, and has been successful for me. In contrast to the clear medical grade silicone noose material, you can order various diameters of medium soft rubber cord (dark red in color) from McMaster Carr at trivial cost. This is the best thing for me by far. It is tougher than clear medical silicone rubber, it lasts a looong time, it is cheap, it is excellent at gripping the glans helmet, and it is fairly comfortable. I use McMaster Carr 3/16” diameter, 96505K24 red rubber cord in a bareback configuration. Been using it for a long time now and I HIGHLY recommend it. I have no idea what it is originally intended for, industrial machinery perhaps, but it is great for penis extending and appears to be a little known secret although I have been blabbing about it for a year now at another penis forum. If you are experimenting, why not get a few other sizes as well. It is cheap and effective as a noose material.

• Silicone straps. This is the white or black soft rubber strap the extender companies package in with most of their extenders now. You are supposed to put a foam sleeve on your penis end, then place the strap over that, then clamp down on the foam using the strap. X4 Labs devices use this method, in fact most of them do. I found that the slip factor was still very high for my particular so could not use them without a lot of foam reinsertion and reapplication. Also, these strap are expensive and they tear, as does the foam sleeve. It was a lot of fuss and money for not much more comfort and a lot of slippage. The extender companies love them because they are fairly comfortable which therefore sells extenders, plus they get to nail you on replacement parts. I do not recommend them however I think most people try them and a few people even like them. I suspect those users eventually quit extending though, because of the cost and fuss.

My “philosophy” of penis extender gear is this- whatever you use, it should be quick to put on, fairly cheap and easy to get supplies for, reliable, not slip, and be reasonably comfortable. I found the golden balance in all this for me is found in the red cord specified above, using a bareback noose method of extending. But all penises are not built the same. They vary a lot in fact. Proportions, overall size, cut or uncut, blood pressure, skin texture, sensitivity to pain, there are MANY variables at work. That is why the most important principle of penis extending is- EXPERIMENT with your particular penis anatomy until you find your golden extending setup. Then set up a daily routine that works for you, keep a log of your hours and findings. I use MS Excel. I have a daily entry for every single PE day since day one.

Stick with it man. Sometimes when I get frustrated with my lack of gains or with my size I try to just remember that at least I am trying to grow. Knowing that I am at least genuinely trying to change has taken me a long way through PE. When my noob gains stopped I got super frustrated for awhile and thought I did something wrong and broke my wang and that I’d never gain again. Its taken me almost a year to measure up any kind of significant gains since then. I had to find a routine that worked for me outside the tried and true newbie methods and it took me forever to find one I liked. Its hard brotha, it takes time and effort. But if you don’t make the effort and don’t stick to it you are guaranteed not to gain.

When referring to the noose foam padding, you said that it increases the comfort but at a steep price. What price?

Thanks, bro. Excellent advice.

Speaking literally, not figuratively. Any supply like this from an extender company tends to be grossly overpriced.

I’m sorry to say it, but i tried andropenis for a couple of months didn’t work, plus broke. Now, i’m hanging 3 pounds 3 days a week, 3 hours a day, clamping and visualizing for a couple of months and see what happens.

” Other types and sizes of noose cord. Like I said above, this is what I do now, and has been successful for me. In contrast to the clear medical grade silicone noose material, you can order various diameters of medium soft rubber cord (dark red in color) from McMaster Carr at trivial cost. This is the best thing for me by far. It is tougher than clear medical silicone rubber, it lasts a looong time, it is cheap, it is excellent at gripping the glans helmet, and it is fairly comfortable. I use McMaster Carr 3/16” diameter, 96505K24 red rubber cord in a bareback configuration. Been using it for a long time now and I HIGHLY recommend it. I have no idea what it is originally intended for, industrial machinery perhaps, but it is great for penis extending and appears to be a little known secret although I have been blabbing about it for a year now at another penis forum. If you are experimenting, why not get a few other sizes as well. It is cheap and effective as a noose material.”

Rhinoguy-

Thanks for the tip on the red silicone. I was skeptical this would work for me due to having a moderately sensitive helmet with using the noose method but I am pleasantly surprised how quick my johnson adjusted. I have the X-LABS extender and was on my last tube and foam setup so I figured why not try your suggestion opposed to ordering the high priced junk from the extender company. I measured the tube fastening holes on the extender and matched it to a 1/4 size that McMaster-Carr offered. At less that a buck per foot I ordered 5ft of the red silicone o-ring tubing. The 1/4” size fits very snug in the holes which I suspected would be the case but this actually works out for the better since this tubing isn’t as stretchy as the junk sold by the extender company so I knew that I would have a difficult time getting it to fit into the tube retaining channel (channel that helps secure the noose from slippage). The red tubing fits so snug that there is no way it can come loose without excessive force being applied. I do bend over the ends/backside of the tubing and hold in place with a small strip of Velcro, this is only done so as the ends aren’t sticking straight out.

This tubing works 10x better and at a fraction of the cost! It only took me one session to get accustom to wearing the noose without the use of the foam cover. I can go 2-hours straight with little pain and zero slippage issues.

MMS

dino9x7,

Isn’t that a great revelation? Realizing that what you had was more than sufficient, but today realizing you are BIG and all the time something in your mind telling you it’s not big enough.