Another (good) Question For the BIB Man!

Okay BIB, I’ve had the hanger for awhile, and FINALLY now I have the privacy to start so here is one last question for you b4 I go back in my hole & nobody hears from me for a while…

Looking back over your initial year and a half of hanging; on all your hard work and GREAT gains, and blood, sweat, and tears…..if you could do anything different or change anything to possibly have BETTER gains in less time, or just have more positives with less negatives….What would you do different or change????

bbs

Thanks in advance

As good as gains as you have received, I believe everything can be improved (to a point of course), and was curious as to what you would “tune up” on the hanging process…

bbs,

Well, some obvious stuff: I would never have hung with a noose to begin with. Would have made one good hanger and never multiple produced them. kidding. really.

>if you could do anything different or change anything to possibly have BETTER gains in less time, or just have more positives with less negatives….What would you do different or change???? <

I guess the only thing I would have tried different is either traction wrapping, or light stretching, or both, after hanging. Maybe a couple of hours per day of hanging (3-4), followed by the light stretching for the rest of the day. Not much difference from what I did, but a little. I probably would not have been beat up quite so much.

Bigger

You said in an earlier post, that Soma had a thread on his starting routine that was similar to your starting routine…If you could point me in the right direction…..or recap…..

thanks

bbs

bbs,

Oh hell man, I actually remember that. But it was a long time ago. Maybe even a couple of boards ago. If it is anywhere, it will be in the personal routines section of PEforums or ezboard.

That was talking about the acceleration of the hanging routine in both time and weight. Soma got about all he wanted and so his graph cut off well before mine.

Best I can do.

Bigger

BIB, u said:
That was talking about the acceleration of the hanging routine in both time and weight. Soma got about all he wanted and so his graph cut off well before mine.

I have no idea what youare trying to say here esp about the graph. Could please expain or point me 2 the thread, i couldn’t find it. Basically i was just trying 2 see what your starting program was…

Also, a couple more questions to ask you. Sorry if it seems like I’m asking alot but I’m trying to gather as much info and data as possible so my hanging experience will be very successful.

1.I think the reason why most hangers fail or dont get as good as gains as you did s because they didn’t hang with enough frequency which would cause the ligs to heal, making them stronger so more weight would be required next time.

So in essence the more infrequent you hang and don’t keep the ligs in an extended state they will grow shorter (or stay same) and stronger making it harder to see positive results. Am I on the right track here?

And if I am, am I right in saying that one really shouldn’t bother hanging at all until they can commit to the proper amount of time necessary because it will probably do more damage (making it harder next time) than good?

2.To add to that it seems that most people dont even hang close to their maximum esp. at the beginning of the workouts when it seems most important. Am I on the right track again?

3.In an earlier thread you said “you hung 80% of the time BTC and straight out, and the rest over the shoulder and legs”
So does that mean hang BTC and straight out for X amount of weeks, months ,etc. UNTIL GAINS STOP then switch or does that mean you rotated from workout to workout?

4.Did you check for growth by the Flaccid stretched measurement
and how long did it take you to see gains?

5.Does moving the hanger up or down the shaft have any effect or relavence on gains?

6.You also said you gained some foreskin during this period, did you actively restore or was it just from the stretch provided by the hanger? As I am also interested in this as well.

Thanks in advance for your time and patience.

bbs

bbs,

>I have no idea what youare trying to say here esp about the graph. Could please expain or point me 2 the thread, i couldn’t find it. Basically i was just trying 2 see what your starting program was… <

Soma was going up in time and weight at about the same pace that I did. However, he gained all he wanted and stopped. I started at a couple of pounds and quickly moved to 7.5 pounds where I began to feel the stretch. Also, I started at three or four sets and day and over about six months, moved to hanging all day.

>1.I think the reason why most hangers fail or dont get as good as gains as you did s because they didn’t hang with enough frequency which would cause the ligs to heal, making them stronger so more weight would be required next time.

So in essence the more infrequent you hang and don’t keep the ligs in an extended state they will grow shorter (or stay same) and stronger making it harder to see positive results. Am I on the right track here?
<

To clarify, the ligs get ‘stronger’ by hanging. The fibers become equalized, closer length and strength, so they resist the weight in harmony. The weaker bonds are broken first, leaving progressively tougher bonds. This will occur with any intensity of schedule. The more intense, the faster it occurs. The hanging frequency can have an impact on the way the ligs heal. The more hanging, stretching, etc, the more likely the ligs will heal in the extended state.

>And if I am, am I right in saying that one really shouldn’t bother hanging at all until they can commit to the proper amount of time necessary because it will probably do more damage (making it harder next time) than good? <

It depends on the amount of time, but also on the toughness of the tissues. I don’t think you will “make it harder next time”, but you may not see the gains you wish for. PE gains is a result of cumulative stresses. Some require more stress than others. Some guys get great gains hanging a couple sets a day, and others need several hours per day. Also, the amount of weight needed is a factor.

>2.To add to that it seems that most people dont even hang close to their maximum esp. at the beginning of the workouts when it seems most important. Am I on the right track again?<

Hmmm, I don’t know if most people hang their max or not. It is true that you want to hang heavier at the beginning of the session, try to fatigue the tissues quickly, then hang in the extended state, at lower weights if needed. I hope most guys do that. This of course is considering they have worked up slowly to their max.

>3.In an earlier thread you said “you hung 80% of the time BTC and straight out, and the rest over the shoulder and legs”
So does that mean hang BTC and straight out for X amount of weeks, months ,etc. UNTIL GAINS STOP then switch or does that mean you rotated from workout to workout? <

No, I only changed angles when I became fatigued at the current angle. IOW, first BTC or an angle between straight down and BTC, then straight out, then either OTS or OTL.

>4.Did you check for growth by the Flaccid stretched measurement and how long did it take you to see gains? <

Yes. Almost immediately.

>5.Does moving the hanger up or down the shaft have any effect or relavence on gains? <

Yes, closer to the base will stretch more skin. Closer to the head will stretch the internal structures. It is more effective to stretch one at a time.

>6.You also said you gained some foreskin during this period, did you actively restore or was it just from the stretch provided by the hanger? As I am also interested in this as well. <

I restored it by hanging. Often, for a week or two period, I would place the hanger closer to the base in order to get more skin stretch. Then, when I would put the hanger more toward the head, it would concentrate on internal structures without the skin taking any of the stress. I liked the ‘extra’ skin. Still do.

Good questions.

Bigger

BIB once again I want to say thanks alot for taking the time. I am learning so much and soaking up everything from all the boards, really doing my homework so to speak. I’ve put in 100s of hours reasearching hanging, etc. I’ve read probably just about everything there is to read on hanging from all of these boards and elsewhere. I now feel competent enough to start a program and know I will get great gains. I have covered every angle so to speak. When I DO something, I “DO IT” and go all out.

I read your past post on how you were angry with all the lurkers and you got little or no hanger feedback. Also, the way I work is if i feel I have something valueable to contribute I will. I think (my opinion) that these boards sometimes get cluttered with som much garbage and I as well as others have to comb through it. So many people ask the same questions or give the same complaints. (I was guilty at one time! lol) So out if respect for you and other vets, and rookies alike, I only post when I feel I have something valueable to say, or really can’t figure something out, and can’t find it elsewhere.

As soon as I have some feedback for you (couple weeks, months, etc.) I will definitely give it to you. I can say this though. The design of the hanger is basically perfect as it will give you the best “clamping action” of the ligaments versus other styles which will lead to the best gains. It is basically perfect in that aspect and I am greatful that you created it and was nice enough to sell them when I know you proably don’t make much and you could have kept your “methods” and “screts of success” to yourself. For this I am amazed at your genuine quality to help others.

Although I would hate to see you close up shop on the hangers, I can understand why u would. But I would urge you not to, as you have to understand, we are all still so early in the PE process as a culture and methodology, and the BIB hanger is definitely a milestone to hanging and PE in general. And it is generally comfortable, safe, and lets you use weight in the safest manner. And I would definitely reccommend it to others (if it was still available!!)

When I 1st started my research most sites offered garbage, gimmicks, and are trying to make you buy a product, etc. Here (or rather at EZboards) you told how to make your own. I knew I was home so to speak. I still don’t know how I found these boards but I am so glad I did.

(Side Note: Thunder, this is the best damn PE board period. Pat yourself on the back. Especially since you added the Hanger’s Forum.)

So in closing BIB, I’d just thought I’d let you know that your efforts are not in vain and are GREATLY appreciated, and its not “a monkey trying to fuck a football.” LOL! It will just take time for you, as well as others to realize this.

bbs

P.S. The only qualm I would say is the fact that, the new Starter model, wasn’t available sooner, I definitely would have bought that over the original. It seems as if the original is designed for someone that really doesn’t need PE (um hmm I wonder who that could be? LOL) But anyways, I guess I will have to figure out a way to come up with $85 b4 the deadline because I know I will definitely get better gains using the starter.

Hey BIB did you miss the above post?

bbs,

Thanks for the words.

Bigger

Hey bbs,

Thanks. Be sure to vote for this place in the Poll Forum. Our sister forum is kicking our ass, in both the number of guys voting and in the number of votes that PE Forums is getting in the poll over there.