Could upper shaft girth be actually beneficial to hanging gains?

It makes sense that a thinner penis is easier to stretch just like a thin elastic band.

Bib hanged and got base girth and then did Ulis to get upper shaft girth. Since you are hanging while grabbing onto the upper shaft would extra girth at the top actually help? You are not stretching the top 1/2 while hanging so who cares what the girth is. You will have more inner structure and surface area for the hanger to grab onto so it should be more comfortable at high weights.

You should end up with a more evenly developing unit since your base girth will be growing due to hanging anyway.

trigger,

Your thoughts were my exact thoughts when I was wrapping for upper shaft/head gains. My head and upper shaft were so small in relation to the rest of my shaft, that any hanger I made had a tough time gripping. With a few sessions of semi-tight wrapping, I could see a difference. In the beginning, I would stay wrapped sometimes for 3-4 hours per day. Many other have reported the same results. It just depends on the individual physiology.

Bigger

This thread raises several questions I’ve always had about length gains with hanging as opposed to other forms of stretching:

(a) To what degree, if any, does hanging contribute to length gains other than those obtained by stretching the ligs and tunica at the base?

(b) Does any part of the shaft that’s grabbed by the hanger get stretched?

(c) Does hanging benefit the “top half” of the penis, i.e., the area forward of the hanger; if so, in what ways?

(d) Are other forms of stretching, beyond hanging, needed to obtain length gains throughout the penis, and, if so, which forms of stretching are most beneficial for guys who hang — more specifically, which forms of stretching are really not needed if you hang?

BTW, I own both versions of the official Bib hangers and currently favor the Starter.

WannaB,

>(a) To what degree, if any, does hanging contribute to length gains other than those obtained by stretching the ligs and tunica at the base?<

Hanging will stretch all structures, depending on the angle of hang, and the amount of weight used.

>(b) Does any part of the shaft that’s grabbed by the hanger get stretched?<

Yes. When you grab a rope with your hand and pull, it is not simply the back portion of the hand that provides the friction to pull. The friction is spread out along all contact surfaces.

Same with the hanger. It may be decreased as you go toward the head, but it is still significant. At higher weights, the shoulders of the head will take a large portion of the stress. In fact, the only thing not stressed would be the head itself.

>(c) Does hanging benefit the “top half” of the penis, i.e., the area forward of the hanger; if so, in what ways?<

See above. If you place the hanger toward the base, you are likely only stretching skin. Which is fine if you need skin stretch. But if the hanger is an inch behind the head, then almost all of the shaft will be stressed.

>(d) Are other forms of stretching, beyond hanging, needed to obtain length gains throughout the penis, and, if so, which forms of stretching are most beneficial for guys who hang — more specifically, which forms of stretching are really not needed if you hang? <

I needed nothing else. But others might find other stretches beneficial.

Bigger

Bigger, thanks so much for this most excellent response. You gave my questions the detailed treatment that I was hoping for, which is so typical of your dedication to helping others here at Thunder’s Place. I believe that I’m not the only one who has had these questions in the back of his mind, so other guys should benefit as well.

To question (a), you said that “Hanging will stretch all structures” (i.e., not just the ligs and tunica). I take this to mean that the CC and CS will also be stretched. Is this a correct assumption, or have I misinterpreted what structures you were referring to?

Your answer to (b), i.e., “… the only thing not stressed would be the head itself”, is more encouraging than I had expected and, of course, is good to hear.

The main thing I get on question (c) is the importance of where you locate the hanger on your shaft. Do we ever get to the point where the skin is already stretched to the max and placement of the hanger closer to the base would still give a good stretch to non-skin structures? Such a placement might be thought beneficial (whether true or not) to help prevent trauma just below the corona when heavier weights are used.

I really like your answer on (d) to the effect that, in your experience, guys who hang may not need to do other stretching exercises. This is what I had hoped and suspected but wasn’t sure had been confirmed before.

Again, many thanks for all your help!

WannaB,

>To question (a), you said that “Hanging will stretch all structures” (i.e., not just the ligs and tunica). I take this to mean that the CC and CS will also be stretched. Is this a correct assumption, or have I misinterpreted what structures you were referring to? <

Actually, I was referring to all structures. With hanging, depending on the angles used, all collagenous structures (tunica, ligs, anchor points) can be stressed, stretched, and grown. The soft tissues are the easy part, and simply “go along for the ride”. Although they may, at times, take a while to completely fill out the new volume provided by the increased tunica volume.

>The main thing I get on question (c) is the importance of where you locate the hanger on your shaft. Do we ever get to the point where the skin is already stretched to the max and placement of the hanger closer to the base would still give a good stretch to non-skin structures? Such a placement might be thought beneficial (whether true or not) to help prevent trauma just below the corona when heavier weights are used.<

It would depend on how close to the base you placed it. I suppose you could grow a tremendous amount of skin, and stress the inner structures effectively while placing the hanger close to the base, but it would be tough. Toward the end of my hanging career, with a lot of shaft to work with, I used maybe five inches of shaft to place a 3.5 inch hanger, moving the hanger placement within that five inch area to avoid shaft soreness at very high weights.

Bigger

Bigger,

Sorry for being dense because I’ve seen you mention this before but never really grasped it. When you say “With a few sessions of semi-tight wrapping, I could see a difference” is the difference you are refering to the way your hanger held better, or did you literally see a growth in upper shaft/head size just via semi-tight wrapping?
If the latter, what was the process/material? (ala extreme uli?)

Thanks
-Cap

Damn what a good productive exchange. Thanks Bib!

I have the same question as Cap.

Bigger, thanks again for your clarifying comments. There are so many variables with wrapping, hanger settings, placement of the hanger, weights, etc., that continued experimentation and adjustments are needed to give each guy his own best results. You have helped me get closer to hanger nirvana. I’ve had my Bib’s since last October, and now it’s time for me to begin making progress reports, which I will do soon. You’re da man!!

WannaB9x7,

As far as your thoughts that Bib is the man, that is an understatement.

Bib is the f***ing man. As a matter of fact there should be a thread started in his honor. Where everyone recognizes the revolutionary role Bib has played in PE.

So I second your thoughts on Bib with a resounding - No doubt!!

Hey anonymous,

There have been two or three threads praising Bigger. I think a few more would be appropriate.

Yeah, more would be appropriate. I just hope Bib knows how valuable he is. I’ll say it again - Bib is definitely the man!!!

I’ll have to do a search for threads giving Bib his proper recognition.

3.5” hanger! Is this the “Bib finisher”! What is the highest weight you have heard people using with the standard commercial Bib Hanger? I have made a few hangers but cannot make one which holds over 15lb for any time. I may try a larger clamp area like your 3.5”, do you think this will make a big difference? i.e. if you are going to make a hanger is making the clamp area large more important/easier than making a small clamp area comfortable for large weights.

Would creating ridges which slot into each other like in my sketch help? Piet has ridges on his new hanger but they dont seem to slot into each other like this, which is best?

Cappy,

>Sorry for being dense because I’ve seen you mention this before but never really grasped it. When you say “With a few sessions of semi-tight wrapping, I could see a difference” is the difference you are refering to the way your hanger held better, or did you literally see a growth in upper shaft/head size just via semi-tight wrapping?<

Great question. The difference I could see was in the way the hanger held, but also, I could see what I considered great temporary gains in the upper shaft and head. It is the same thing as when I write about the temporary gains from extreme Ulis. While doing them, the head and upper shaft are much much bigger. This is temporary. But the excessive pressure DOES cause small changes which over time become permanent gains. But you will never permanently reach the size of the completely engorged upper shaft and head when doing extreme Ulis. I hope that makes sense. IOW, you will always be able to engorge the head and upper shaft above whatever your current ‘normal’ is. A dog chasing his tail.

But those temporary gains from wrapping lasted long enough to get in many sets of hanging providing the increased holding ability to the hanger.

>If the latter, what was the process/material? (ala extreme uli?) <

This might be confusing. If so, please ask questions. The temporary gains were useful for hanging. But also, I know the wrapping procedure, over time, provided permanent head and upper shaft gains. But not nearly as quickly as EUs.

The material was the same as for hanging wrapping. Either straight Theraband, or sweat shirt material with Theraband over the top. Then on the last wrap, I would make it tight enough to cause the head to swell. Sometimes, I would jelq more blood, pushing it above the wrap to the head and upper shaft. I could stay wrapped for hours like this, but you have to keep an eye on color and temperature. But it is easy to relieve the pressure by loosening the wrap for a while and/or squeezing the head to help push out the outgoing blood. Remember, the key is to not affect the incoming blood at all, and only restrict the outgoing blood, not cut it off altogether. The increased inner pressure caused by the restriction will soon help push the blood out past the restriction. But you may have to adjust the wrap, the restriction, because this inner pressure will tend to tighten the restriction.

I hope that made some sense.

WannaB,

Good luck. I will help you the best I can.

trigger,

>3.5” hanger! Is this the “Bib finisher”! What is the highest weight you have heard people using with the standard commercial Bib Hanger?<

Me at 60 lbs. But that was only for testing and not for a full set. At the end of my ‘hanging for gains period’, I was using 45 lbs.

Actually, the last hanger I used was 4.5 inches long. The production regular is 3 inches long.

>I have made a few hangers but cannot make one which holds over 15lb for any time. I may try a larger clamp area like your 3.5”, do you think this will make a big difference?<

It depends on how you are put together. I had no problem with the larger surface area. But some guys do. Many big guys prefer the Starter at 1.75 inches. Others really like the regular. It just depends.

>i.e. if you are going to make a hanger is making the clamp area large more important/easier than making a small clamp area comfortable for large weights.<

My thoughts were, the larger the surface area for clamping, the more internal structures that could be grasped, and the more weight that could be hung comfortably. But the larger the surface area, the more tissues affected, and the greater the opportunity to come across a problem area. That is one reason I wanted the production regular to be completely adjustable. So that if a guy had a problem area, an area that caused discomfort from pressure, it could hopefully be avoided.

But some guys seem to not be able to avoid problem areas. Or, they are not able to tighten a larger hanger enough to grasp the internal structures. They prefer a smaller hanger, which can concentrate the pressure on a smaller area.

>Would creating ridges which slot into each other like in my sketch help? Piet has ridges on his new hanger but they dont seem to slot into each other like this, which is best?<

I cannot view the pic. But the Bibs all have ridges. I call them fingers. And yes, I know they help in grasping the internal structures. The fingers on the Bibs alternate. It took a long time and a lot of experimentation to get the correct pattern. But then, that is the correct pattern for me. Others milage may vary.

All good questions. And many thanks for the props. But I am just a lucky guy who had success with PE and wish others the same.

Bigger

Bigger, you’ve helped a lot already but I will probably be back at you later. I’m convinced, however, that the genuine Bib hangers are the only design that will let me hang at lease semi-comfortably at fairly high weights.

I started hanging with the Bibs (alternating Starter and Regular) back in October and by mid-March had increased my weight to about 37.5 lbs SD (mostly), BC or SO. For several months I had been doing 15-min sessions three or four a day. However, my donut area began to puff up, turn dark purple, and stay that way for more than 24 hours, even when using only the Starter. No pain, but pretty sensitive to the touch, and the skin was beginning to feel slightly leatherly.

BTW, I’m cut but my frenulum is intact and my shaft skin is fairly loose due to some non-surgical foreskin restoration I was doing before I started PE. My erect dimensions are close to, if not actually, 8” (EBP) x 6”, which is not too far from my beginning stats in October. My lot is about 9:00-9:30.

I’m about ready to leave on a driving vacation (your neck of the woods, actually) and I have decided not to try to do any hanging for the month I will be gone. Instead, I’ll do manual stretches, plus light jelqing and pumping (which might have aggravated the donut/purple effect, so I’ll go easy on that).

When I get back and start up a routine again, I’ll begin in the 20-25 lb range (or lower if necessary for comfort) and do only 10-minute hanging sessions, maybe five or six a day, plus light jelqing and pumping. I’ll report my results after I see how that goes.

Again, Bigger, my hat’s off to you. In my opinion, you’re the PE/Thunder’s Man of the Decade!!