bbs,
Wow, it has been a while since a post gave me a headache. That’s ok, I like a challenge.
First, settle down and quit stressing over this. You must understand, the only consistancy in PE is the inconsistancy. Things change, month to month, week to week, day to day, and even during the day. You have to learn to adapt and learn what your body is telling you. It is a process. You are doing fine.
>On Sunday I hung 9 sets in the morning, and 5 at night. (5lbs BTC.)During the sets I was still trying yo troubleshoot and get the optimal fit. I was getting quite discouraged. I was even contemplating quitting. It seems as if I could not get the thing to work for me.<
You hung fourteen sets and it seemed you could not get the thing to work? Come on, everything is fine.
>Only on the evening sets did I start to feel it in the ligs again, whereas before I only felt it in the skin and shaft.<
Not unusual.
> What I figured out was I need to place the hanger as close to the head as possible, without touching it. I know you’ve said, and others have said it, but until you figure it out for yourself, it really doesn’t sink in.<
Right
>Today, I hung 12 sets BTC with 5 lbs again. I got very good lig pull in the beginning, then in the middle sets I could feel the lig taut, but not really like it was working, no fatigue feeling
1.)Is this common for it to go and come back (the feeling) assuming I’m placing it right?<
Yes, this is not unusual. Just check what you are doing, what structures you are stressing, and go with it. Other than skin, it is tough to know exactly what limiting factors you are stressing at any particular time, and what amount of stress is needed to overcome that limiting factor. If there is no give, no breaking of bonds, you might not feel sore at that time.
>1a.) How long do you think it takes to reach total fatigue, how long did it take you?<
For me, this varied completely. There were many days that I did not reach fatigue. Then some days, I could not hang my previous max weight. Go slow and never try to force the fatigued feeling. Relax and let it happen if it is going to happen.
>Should a person worry about reaching the full BTC position 1st or reach total fatigue and having to drop the weight 1st? Which one do you think will occur 1st?<
This is really two seperate questions, and I cannot see how they are related. Usually, reaching the full BTC position is a matter of skin stretch. Reaching total fatigue and having to drop the weight is a matter of the ligs and tunica suffereing microtears.
Getting the skin stretched to eventually allow for full stress on the ligs would be the normal route. But depending on the angle of BTC, you might not need as much skin to still see significant stress on the ligs.
>1b.) How do you know when skin is the limiting factor?<
When it is taking a majority or significant portion of the stress. When it is very tight while hanging at a particular angle.
>How do you know when ligs are the limiting factor? <
This would be when hanging at a lower angle, the skin is loose, and you can feel the ligs at the base, under the skin are tight.
>You said you alternated between hanging for both, what type of regimen did you use? Equal time for both?<
No. The longest I hung to stretch skin was probably two weeks. This was in the beginning, and a couple of times after large erect gains. The skin is much easier to work than the tougher connective tissues. The vast majority of time was spent on ligs and tunica.
However, the skin is usually the first limiting factor because of the bunching of the internal structures before they take the stress. This sliding down of the wrapped bundle and hanger naturally stretches the skin first.
Let me say this. You can stress both at the same time, and many guys do especially in the beginning. Later, when gains are tougher, it is more efficient and seems to be more productive to divide and conquer, stressing one element at a time.
>1c.) Assuming you have attached correctly, are there any “rules” like if you’re not working the ligs, you’re working skin?<
Yes, there are rules, but I really need a diagram to show you. Hairy Guy had talked about this also. It truly is a simple physics example, but you need to be able to see it. I will try to draw something to illustrate the forces.
>Then the last sets were both burning the ligs and shaft like crazy. Some of them I stopped early due to this and swollen head.<
This was probably total fatigue. In fact, you reached fatigue earlier, and could have gone down in weight to make things more comfortable. I get the feeling you are not relaxing but rather watching the clock during these sets. Don’t fight it.
>2.)Oddly, some of my best sets were when I had a swollen head. Is this common?<
It is not uncommon. The swollen head is really a concern at higher weights. But that is starting with too much blood in the head. It seems you are accumulating blood during the set. This is possible at lower weights.
>I even tightened the bottom gap. I also find that toward the end of a set or the end of a day, the head becomes inflated quicker, loses temp. etc. It always goes away the second I detach but it is noticeable. (Side note, my head always seems a little cooler than my shaft) No more slipping, but still head swells, and .I assume its almost impossible to have a soft head the entire time?<
No, not impossible. See the answer above. Usually, the swelling is a product of the wrap being too tight.
>Oh yea, I’m getting a hellacious stretch. MY penis goes between my balls ( no more ball problems really, did some manual stretching) and then some of the shaft lies between my crack, and the hanger rests on the edge of my but. It takes a few sets to reach this level of stretch, but since the (basically, the hanger moves around alot in my ass crack, since it is not a flat surface )hanger has not completely left the butt yet, it twists alot. I have to adjust multiple times during the day and sets. <
This is not unusual.
>3.) I assume it will be like this until my shaft is completely BTC with the hanger free hanging on the bottom?<
Try to utilize the skids on the bottom of the hanger. If you can get even the front edge of the skids to ride on the edge of your chair, it will stabilize the hanger.
>Like I said before some sets I feel nothing , than some I feel crazy skin burn and lig pull. <
Totally normal.
>4.) DO I want to feel it all in the ligs or both, because sometimes I feel both? <
You do not understand yet.
First, it is not unusual to feel the stress in ligs, tunica, and skin. It depends on the angle(s) of hang, what stage of PE you are in, what other exercises you are doing, and a million other factors.
> I know you said you should be relaxed but sometimes I get sweaty and flustered as the pull/skin stretch increase, the last few sets feels like my unit is about to rip in half due to the stretch/pull ( I felt both ligs and skin),<
Hello? This is fatigue. This is the time to lower the weight. If lowering the weight does not bring relief, then it is total fatigue and you need to switch to another angle, or stop. DO NOT GO THROUGH TORTURE. The only thing that will happen if you force it is that you will eventually NOT want to hang anymore. Try to make it enjoyable.
>but then a few hours later tonight, not really that sore, I think I was approaching total fatigue…..What do you think? <
This is not unusual. Many times I would wear it out during the day, and then be able to hang a couple sets at night with no problems. It depends on the individual and his recovery time.
>BTW, should total fatigue only be felt in ligs, or all over?<
It depends. See above and I will try to get a diagram.
>5.) Is their a correlation between the max weights one uses in their “career” to the amount of length gained?<
I do not think so. Once again, it is totally individual.
>6.) I know you talked about the migrating ball sack before, but did you ever have a problem with migrating shaft hair?<
Yes, about three or four inches.
>7.) Did you stretch skin in each position as well, or did you just focus on ligs in various positions?<
No, skin was no problem for me OTL and OTS. Unless of course I wrapped my scrotum in the OTS position. Then I was trying to stretch the scrotum.
>8.) When switching to a brand new position, what poundage should you start at?<
Very low, maybe 2.5 lbs. Once again, move up slowly.
>9.)How much of a role and what is that role that the position of the blue straps play in making adjustments?<
Almost none. They are in the middle of the hanger. The important thing is the position of the shaft in the shaft well. If it is low enough, the position of the blue straps will be fine.
Of course, they can pivot to accomodate the various angles.
Good post. I liked it even though I emptied a bottle of Advil. If you do not understand or need clarification, ask away. This in depth stuff is what is needed.
Thanks,
Bigger