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Marinera, so because you’ve posted it before you won’t give a brief explanation or link to it now? I don’t think its about relaxing as much as its an antagonistic muscle of the BC, similar to how the triceps and biceps operate. Usually having antagonistic muscle groups near the same strength level is beneficial. Also the habit of kegeling for a few seconds and then relaxing that muscle, even if you don’t reverse kegel will contribute to easing of the stretch reflex of priopreceptors. Simply put less resistance to the stretch equalling a better stretch. Also since doing both I have increased erection quality, force of contraction during orgasm which women love and the ability to shoot my load from one wall to another which we both love (sidebar but they do get amazed at how far you can shoot it). I’ve noticed during orgasm I naturally reverse kegel and then quickly kegel to expel my jizz. Its like the reverse kegel is loading it in the chamber and the kegel is pulling the trigger.

How is this dangerous, can you help me figure this out please?

I think your very same post shows that reverse Kegel’s are unuseful. What’s the antagonist BC muscle? Name it please.

Reverse Kegel’ is meant in two different ways : a) simply relaxing the BC muscle; b) forcing urine, doing the exact contrary of a Kegel’.

Doing a) accomplishes nothing. Relaxing a muscle is not working the antagonist muscle. It is, well, just relaxing - not contracting. Period. Relaxing a muscle doesn’t changes it at all.

Doing b) is not safe. Forcing the urine flow is not a healthy thing. Stopping it, yes; let it flow (relaxing) is ok, although completely unuseful. Bot forcing the urine flow is not safe according to body feeling and common sense.

Good talk

I’ll let results speak for themselves. I’d encourage anyone to form their own opinion by actually testing it out, there is nothing dangerous about them and if you don’t see any results then stop.

Try this as an experiment with edging. Once you learn how to kegel and reverse kegel masturbate slowly. Reverse kegel on the downstroke and kegel on the upstroke towards the head. See if it effects you edging session or orgasm. They both contribute to pelvic floor muscles health and strength.

Maybe this a problem of definition?

Can it be that some of you who think of an antagonist are in reality engaging the IC(ischiocavernous) muscle?

When I do the reverse kegel then its for me experienced as a push(similar to the urin push) that stretches the BC and engages partly the IC.

But I also can engage the IC without that push whiel having difficulties engaging the BC at the same time.

Why don’t you explain how to perform a reverse Kegel’ instead, longerstretch? I’m curious to know which of the two meanings of ‘reverse Kegel” you are speaking of.

The IC is synergistic of the BC muscle actually. The IC contracts when you do Kegel’s.

I think what you feel is the pressure on your bladder and urethra.

Per wikipedia. Notice the part about voluntary relaxation of the pelvic floor muscles.
"The mechanism by which voluntary urination is initiated remains unsettled.[13] One possibility is that the voluntary relaxation of the muscles of the pelvic floor causes a sufficient downward tug on the detrusor muscle to initiate its contraction.[14] Another possibility is the excitation or disinhibition of neurons in the pontine micturition center, which causes concurrent contraction of the bladder and relaxation of the sphincter.[6]"

You can read what a reverse kegel is and their benefits here
http://www.pelv ichealthsolutio … everse-kegels1/

Besides the detrusor muscles and lower abdominals I’m not to sure which muscles are being innervated, not to mention isometric contractions of I believe the leviator ani and other surrounding muscles. It seems to have an atagonistic action to the kegel and which nerve tract is being inhibited or activated may be more important than which muscle is.

Keep in mind reverse kegels are newer than kegels so there haven’t been any studies done on it, but if you search around you will find the word is getting around, mainly for premature ejaculation. And like I said I will let results speak for themselves. Many times in the medical community we observe something and then do experiments to see why.

Someone should start a new thread to clear that up once and for all in a discussion(maybe including the last posts here about it?).
Its bugging me for a long time and I saw it more then once creating confusion.
I think its two different “actions” that are founded in one word.

Its the same when people talk about The Kegel. Is it a PC muscle clench or a BC muscle clench..or both at once?

Initiated. They are speaking of the cerebral mechanism. There isn’t anything mysterious from a physical point of view in how we piss, you can trust.

Good source. Looks like Dr. Lin lol.

If I search around, I find that relaxing muscles doesn’t accomplish anything. And if you have the habit to push the urine flow, you’ll damage bladder and/or urethra before or after. No Kegel’s neither ‘Reverse Kegel’s’ are new at all, everybody does them since when he is an infant, neither I am aware of any reliable study showing objectives effects.

There isn’t anything to study on reverse Kegel’s, they are only about relaxing BC muscle; ‘Revers Kegel’s’ were called with this name (or ‘invented’, if anybody wans to grant merits for nothing) by DLD; what he meant is that when stretching you have to relax your BC muscle so the stretch is easier. Somebody misunderstood that at some point and started claiming around that reverse Kegel’s are about forcing urine and that would deliver more ejaculation control, firm erections and whatnot; maybe he was even a troll who knows.

But as often happens the more nonsensic a claimed exercise is, the easier it spreads around and the most obstinate its followers will be. That’s it.

So far you’ve claimed that these are dangerous and nonsensical yet you can’t provide any reasoning for both of those conditions. You mock my sources without providing any of your own. You’re whole argument seems to be “because I said so” and “ha of course its nonsensical, it doesn’t make any sense”. I respect you marinera, you came around shortly after I first joined & you have been very helpful to many men. But I noticed this sense of arrogance that comes across in your posts in particular. Maybe you’ve answered this question too many times and its getting to be nuisance but understand this is the first I’m hearing about it as Thunders isn’t the main forum I go to.

I know they were talking about a “cerebral mechanism”, that was my point. As it might be more important which nerve bundle is being inhibited or activated as the maintenance of an erection and orgasm is a series of sympathetic and parasympathetic reactions. So activation of the detrusor and other muscles that initiate urination can inhibit the BC and PC muscles. What was quoted was pertaining to the fact that voluntary relaxation of the pelvic floor muscles might precede and cause contraction of the detrusor muscle before voluntary urination. The reverse kegel is an attempt to recreate this without pissing all over yourself. I’m not bearing down so hard I almost shit myself, just a simple contraction, I don’t see the danger in that.

I realize DLD is the one that got the word out & I know he is controversial, but I’d prefer this not to become a straw man debate. If you remember before he left he did come up with quite a few exercises that have worked for many men. I count this as one. When I incorporated this into my edging sessions and sex my orgasms became a jaw dropping full 30 second gusher!!! Thats a long time for an orgasm to last. That my friend is a fucking sexual revolution!!! Thats not to mention better control more pleasurable sensations. I know it doesn’t matter but people would know the strength of my penis when I pissed in the bathroom, some would even comment on it. I don’t really know if it helps with stretching, some people seem to think so but it definitely helps with sex itself as does the kegel.

A muscle that is inhibited does not contract. AKA, is relaxed. If you mean with ‘reverse Kegel’s’ just relaxing your BC and IC muscle, this is not dangerous, is just pointless. Having your BC and IC muscles relaxed just means a less firm erection and sperm coming out slowly. This. if you relax them whilst erect; but, as a form of exercises, does nothing. If you relax many time your bicep, this doesn’t become permanently weaker. Even if it was relaxed the whole day, just a few minutes of contraction would preserve its functionality, size, tone etc..

If you mean with reverse Kegel’s trying to piss without the need of it, it is dangerous and I’m not going to post any backup for it because, it is just a notorious fact. Really you never heard of anyone who forced himself to piss and blood came out instead than urine?

About the destrusor muscle, it’s me quoting wikipedia now:
“The detrusor urinae muscle, also detrusor muscle, muscularis propria of the urinary bladder and (less precise) muscularis propria, is smooth muscle found in the wall of the bladder. The detrusor muscle remains relaxed to allow the bladder to store urine, and contracts during urination to release urine.[1] Related are the urethral sphincter muscles which envelop the urethra to control the flow of urine when they contract.”

So, this kind of Reverse Kegeling is not about relaxing, but actually contracting a muscle. And this muscle does not inhibits the BC or IC. It contracts to perform another function. When you have an orgasm, a number of thing happens; actually the BC and IC muscle tend to contract and relax, and other muscles involved and chemicals released etc. etc.. So supposing that doing something that happens in a given, pretty complex context, leads to some unexplicable benefits, I am inclined to call it mysticism.

Okay thank you, now I can see where your coming from. I still disagree but I see what your argument is. The detrusor is what contracts, creating a pressure gradient in the bladder, when the pressure gets to a certain point it overcome the sphincter and it relaxes. If you concentrate when you initiate a piss though you will feel other muscles at play.

I think we both might be making this too complicated. Interstitial cystitis and other maladies aside that are contraindications for kegels or straining when you pee, lets simplify it. Look at it this way whats the opposite of performing a movement that stops urine flow (kegel)?… performing a movement that starts urine flow (reverse kegel). Just as the opposite of a push (bench press) is a pull (BB Row). Just as you can kegel while not currently urinating a reverse kegel can be done without actually starting urination. When I perform a kegel I can feel my BC muscle contract and my balls even lift a little. When I reverse kegel I can feel my BC muscle and pelvic floor relax and even push out a little and my balls drop slightly. When you look at it in its most basic function Kegel=stop urine flow, Reverse Kegel=start urine flow you can see how these are in opposition. The exact muscles and innervations might not be fully worked out but the mechanism is.

So I’m not forcing piss out, but I am contracting some of the same muscles that I would use to do that. Its almost like my pelvic floor is a trampoline with the up and down pulsation of kegels and reverse kegels. Its a noticable difference doing both than doing one or the other. I use the word relaxation so you can invision it but in reality you never really relax your pelvic floor as its what holds your guts up.

Try it for yourself. It might not be for you and I’m okay with that because I don’t spend too much time worrying about your dick. I worry about mine and I have done these with great results. I’ve had zero instances of pissing out blood. I’ve had 0 instances these caused weaker erections, in fact just the opposite. These helped me learn new sensations and gave me better control of my erection and orgasm.

If you are spending 30 seconds cumming in or around a woman she will get a huge ego boosts and will find it sexy as hell! I can say with certainty that 90% of the women I’ve slept with and continue to sleep with, maybe even higher, say I’m the best lover they’ve ever had. Its not my size, its the experience I give them and how I use my dick to make them cum time and time again with no mercy. I last longer than other guys. I ejaculate further than other guys. I cum harder and longer than other guys. These have worked for me.

Did I mention a fucking sexual revolution?!!!

There is a mistake. The movement that starts urine flow isn’t the detrusor muscle contraction. The urine flows when the bladder is contracted and the anal spinchter is relaxed. Forcing to piss is not what happens when you piss. When you urinate (if you are healthy) you just ‘let it go’ when you have the stimulus. Only to push out the last drops you have to contract IC.

And a case in point you can’t initiate and stop a pee at the exact same time. One set of muscles seems to be predominatley sympathetic and the other set predominately parasympathetic. Important in various stages of sexual excitement and orgasm. When you combine these factors they work.