Hanging Fatigue

I think what is at risk of being lost in this thread is that the objective at the very heart of hanging is to safely break down those limiting factors that stand in the way of growth and in order to do so you must maintain a very labile attitude as you proceed.

Fatigue is simply an indication that a limiting factor is breaking down, we then ride that fatigue as much as possible until it becomes dangerous to continue. It should then be expected that you might:

A. Have to raise your maximum weight to deal with the next limiting factor (which very may well include the new LF and the one you just conquered now working in concert)

B. Not be able to hang your maximum weight for a while because the next limiting factor(s) are not going to offer the same resistance as the one you just broke.

These are just two broadly noted examples of numerous possibilities. The bottom line is that everything expressed in this thread - on this entire forum, for that matter - is a great big generalization; this because hanging is a very personal experience that can and will vary greatly from one guy to the next.
The only and best way to deal with that is to get to know your own physiology really well and anticipate that you cannot anticipate anything.

This concept of time being more important than anything else is not making total sense to me.
BBS originally posted

BBS later posted

This statement seems to contradict the idea of fatigue. Fatigue is by definition something that needs to be felt.

And if you can move up quickly while still being comfortable, I don’t think there is any reason not to. You are not going to gain more hanging 5 pounds rather than 8 if each is hung for the same amount of time. The idea is to put stress on your dick and this will force it to grow. I’m not saying the stress needs to be painful but there is no way less weight will cause more gains than a higher weight if time is constant. If you never gained any weight hanging 5, 10, 15, or 20 pounds, you are not going to gain hanging less weight for the same amount of time.

If you can move up in weight comfortably, if even quickly, I just don’t see any logical reason not to.

>”Fatigue is something that should be felt.”<

Correct. But we are trying to define that feeling. It should not be felt instantaneously so to speak. It is probably something else going on. Another point is where are you feeling these feelings? If you feel them in the skin, its not fatigue, its skin stretch. If you feel it more internally like in the ligs or tunica, its probably fatigue.

He was feeling the weight from the onset of his day, and he was hanging an extremely high amount of weight.

Your dick is not forced to grow. You don’t understand the concept of a passive activity leading to permanent elongation. Using your logic, why don’t those Africans or Indians stick the largest possible ring in their earlobes they can find? Because it will be too painful or possibly tear the ear.

Passive in this case means to receive a benefit without a significant amount of effort exerted/pain endured.

I never said don’t move up in weight. This will be inevitable if you are gaining. Moving up in weight is a result of gains. Not the opposite. But I do say, don’t try to continue to pile weight on each time.

In layman’s terms, I guess the main idea is to “feel nothing” at all. When you do, adjust. If you’re constantly feeling the weight and pull, etc. You are not hanging, you are weightlifting.

Yes it is, any PE that you do is forcing your dick to grow. It will not grow by on its own. However, forcing does not have to mean going through pain. I guess I am still sort of confused about not feeling anything and feeling fatigue. Fatigue is supposed to be felt at the end of your daily sets? But otherwise you’re not supposed to feel anything?

I guess I don’t like the word “forced.” To me that word choice is not a good one. I would compare this to a forced rep in the gym. With PE, it’s not that type of thing. Its more of a way, it will happen, when it happens type of thing.

Other than that, I guess either a) I’m not explaining it good enough or b) we see it differently, which is fine as well.

Rev-
In a nut shell: You may or may not feel “pain” at some point into a set - but if and when you do you have been given a sign that you have hit fatigue and it is time to lower your weight. Continue hanging until you once again feel “pain”. Lower your weight - and on and on, etc. (you know the formula)

I think what BBS is saying is that you should not suffer through a set/routine under the false assumption that pain = growth.

Personally I think the idea of “not feeling anything” can be just as confusing to guys as the idea of “maximum weight”.
It is not that you won’t feel anything - you should feel a mild tugging sensation - it is that when you go beyond that and enter the realm of discomfort/pain you should get back to not feeling anything (lower your weight).
It is controlled damage that we are using to grow.

Guys can choose their preferred wording and you are correct “forcing does not have to mean going through pain”.
The idea is not to work through pain. It is unnecessary. Growth can and will happen despite the absence of pain, not because of its presence: Controlled damage.

-Cap

Maybe forced is not the best word choice, but in the context of what we are discussing, I think it works.

Anyway, my main hang-up, no pun intended, is that there must be a weight for every dick that it could handle for 24 hours every day and never see any gains. That would be a very low weight, however it would be higher for some than others. Person X can hang 5 pounds for 5 hours a day and never gain any length. He continues to hang 5 pounds however because he thinks he is not supposed to feel anything. By the time he moves up to 7.5 pounds, he has not gained but he has conditioned his dick enough so that the whole process just repeats itself. Maybe this theory is way off, but it is just hard for me to comprehend making gains without ever feeling anything.

Excellent post. I’ve long been singing the benefits of TIME over sheer intensity. Want max intensity? Cinch your willie to a trailer hitch of a pickup truck and have your buddy peel-out.

This is simliar to bodybuilder vs. powelifter (both of which I’ve done in the past). To a powerlifter, sheer weight is the ultimate goal, the end; to a bodybuilder, weight is merely as means to an end.

Too many hangers here have the powerlifter mentality. As you’ve said - How much weight? Only as much as you need. There are no awards given to the guy who can suspend the most iron from his dick. Use the minimal amount of weight needed to induce fatigue.

Even a seasoned old powerlifter once told me, “Only go as heavy as you have to in order to increase your 1RM - never heavier.” Of course, this amount varies; but even this powerlifter was making the point that if a scheduled session with 88-91% of your 1RM would help push up the max, why the hell use 95-97% 1RM? The heavier the weight, the greater the risk of injury.

Again, nice post man.

Wad,

Good post. I see you have a weight training background as well, so we see eye to eye. It was tough for me to make the switch from a more is better school of thought with hanging…

carnivore,

instead of ruining the thread with your bs why not do this in a PM?

BBS,

I too have done weights and I understand what you are saying.

However I think it has not been said enough that time is the thing not the amount of weight.

I too believe many guys (Myself to a little extent) have been caught up in the more weight more gain thoughts.

One good thing I have learnt in the last year and half (and thats the time it has taken me to learn how to wrap and attach and hang with level comfort) is that hanging for gains is gonna take time and the lower the weight you can use on your unit to provide stresses required to gain the better off you may find yourself as your hanging career progresses.

I am presently at 4.5kg about 10pds. It has taken me 18 months to get here. I have had breaks. Doubted that I would gain, doubted that I could do this thing called hanging, almost thrown in the towel and said fuck it heaps of times. But guess what? When I measured the other day BPFSL is up about 3mm and BPERL is up about 2mm and these aren’t measuring mistakes either.

Hanging you say is a passive activity. Too fuckin right my friend. And when I get it right which lately is more often than not I look back on what frustrations I have gone through to be hangin 10pds in 18 months and I appreciate that it is worth it.

Keep your ideas following my way. They make excellent sense to me.

GMJ

I have been hanging for 3 hours per day for the last 11 days but think I might have to stop because I have what I think is a thrombosed blood vessel.

I believe I got the thrombosis for the girth work I was doing (which I stopped as soon as I noticed it) but wanted to carry on hanging. However it does not seem to be going away even with hot and cold massage and 75mg of Asprin.

Should I stop hanging?

Bluenun,

Yes, you must stop hanging and all other PE if you want the thrombosis to heal. It sometimes takes weeks or months for a thrombosis to dissolve; or it may never go away, as a couple of mine have not. Fortunately, penile thromboses are not a serious medical concern as long as they do not cause pain. Please do try some time off, though, to see if yours will dissolve. Also, if you are just starting hanging (can’t tell from you post), 3 hours per day is way, way too much. You’re going to kill your dick if you don’t step it up more gradually.

By the way, you should have posted this as a new thread in the “injuries” forum. You would get more responses that way.

Good luck to you!

PG

Thanks for the reply Para-Goomba.

I did try to start a new thread but was unable to for some reason?

I have stopped all PE now which is a shame because I had noticed my first length gains since starting PE.

Yes I had just started hanging but I think I damaged the blood vessel by clamping which I will never try again, in fact if this big thrombosis does not heal I will not do any PE again.
I carried on hanging because I did not know what the string like structure was and I could feel a slight discomfort which I thought was fatigue in my ligs from hanging.

Two more posts bluenun and then you can start a thread anywhere that you want to. You can also upload an avatar.

I would take a break from PE all together. Let that vein heal up completely before starting back slowly, and don’t start back too early either. That will just lead to a re-injury and result in more time off.

Thanks for the reply Thunder.

As much as I don’t want to stop PE I know you are right and I must.
I am really missing hanging and pumping these last three days and I can tell this is going to take a long time to heal if it heals at all.

For the foreseeable future I will still visit the site and read all I can.