Head of the penis turns blue while hanging

Regretfully, I don’t have the girth to hang without wrapping. I saw the modification that you made but even with the gel in the starter my girth is still to skinny.

That’s a trip.

You can shave down the top teeth to make the top of the BIB close considerably closer together than it does in “stock” form. You certainly won’t lose anything in making that modification, and here’s the really important part: you can realize the benefit of excellent circulation in the CS, and therefore, the glans, by utilizing the closure configuration that I recommend in that thread WHETHER YOU USE A WRAP OR NOT.

Really, you should try it; indeed, I think that anyone dealing with glans circulation limiting hanging should.

Good Luck!

xeno

Xeno did you just use a metal file? Sorry a silly question but modifications is far from my specialty.

Is that the hardcore you modified xeno? I’m reluctant to start removing gel from the Bib Starter (on the top teeth, and in the bottom shaft well) because I need that gel to stay on in other areas, like the thumbs, because of my low girth. If I start peeling it out, I think it would come off the entire hanger. Maybe cutting it out would work.

I found one thread in which Bib says the contours of the thumbs on the Starter are not designed to be used without the gel, and that removing the gel on the Starter is not the same as hanging with a Hardcore. I should probably just spring for the hardcore to make modifications rather than potentially wreck my Starter.

I have both now and I believe he is talking about the hardcore.

Hang Without Wrap? page 2 has a picture of his modification.

Well I know from his progress thread that he hung mostly with the Starter back in the day, and had good circulation at that time also. Maybe not 60 minute sets, but he was still able to sleep and meditate with 20 lbs. Maybe the starter back in 2005 didn’t have the gel on it? If it did I’d be very curious to know if and how you modified the gel, xeno.

I have about 4.4” girth, and I set my bottom hex nuts on the Starter all the way out. That requires quite a bit of wrap to up my WFG, but even all that wrap isn’t increasing my WFG by more than 0.25” or 0.375”, so a lot of guys with slightly more girth should be able to move the bottom hex nuts all the way out with no wrap. It did increase my circulation a little. I can go about 7 minutes now before the glans begins to feel cool. I want to try hollowing out the lower shaft well by selectively removing the gel there. Also want to try removing gel over the top teeth so I can close it a little tighter. Also want to try HTW’s or hanging without wrap to see if the wrap itself is hindering circulation.

No silly questions bh; I used a dremel tool. I think that a hand rasp could be used just as effectively.

Yes, it’s the Hardcore in the photos. I agree that it isn’t a good idea to remove the gel from the Starter, but what I think shouldn’t be considered what’s right for anyone else. I got kind of lucky back in the day as I was asked to beta-test the Hardcore, and therefore got it free. As I recall, BIB wasn’t too crazy about me making my modifications to it….don’t blame him at all.

Yes, I used the Starter a lot; eventually the plastic around the top nut broke and so it’s long been retired. I had the Hardcore by then and am very happy with it; strengthening the area around the top nut was a suggestion that I made to BIB for the Hardcore; which he incorporated…I think that it’ll last me for the rest of my hanging career. But back to your question; no, I didn’t remove any gel from my Starter; I just used the front toe-out configuration as shown in the photos of my Hardcore.

I remember considering exactly that BD; FWIW, I concluded the same thing that you mentioned a post or two back:

So I never did it…then the Hardcore appeared…

Excellent! I think that you’ll conclude that it does…the HTW is bar far the least restrictive of all the wraps that I tried…I tried lots…

Please report what you find!

Cheers,

xeno

At what weight range does the gains come at? I know it’s different for everyone

But just a question.

For me the magic number was 10 pounds. If you believe in the tests that Bib does I have an extremely high lot, very high exit point, and I can palpate multiple inches of internal penis.

If you don’t believe the tests well 10 pounds is still the magic amount for me. However, I definitely felt tension on the ligs even at 5 pounds.

I’ve hung a few sessions now with the HTWs and they are pretty good. I had one that I found on the ground last year but never tried, and that one is made of either a tougher material, or it’s fabricated better. It’s the best one I’ve got, and it seems like it would last for months or years. The new ones I bought at the store are flimsy and tear easily (Scunci 22087 from CVS). They seem like they will only last weeks or months at most. One of them already tore when it caught on my fingernail. I located a Goody brand version at Walmart and I’ll try those next time, hopefully they’re the same kind as the one I found on the ground last year.

Overall they’re my new preferred hanging wrap. They are definitely less restrictive for circulation than a theraband wrap. I use 3 layers because of low girth, but that still amounts to a huge loss of WFG. I had to adjust my bottom gap way in, and that pretty much cancelled out any circulation gain during the sets. But, the hanger grips the internals better with the HTW, so I’m able to hang more weight at the same comfort level. And no need to unwrap and rewrap between sets so it’s a big time saver. Another advantage I notice is my shaft used to rotate within the hanger, so it was off-axis by up to 45 degrees. That never happens with the HTW, straight as an arrow all the way through the set. I will probably need to buy a Bib Hardcore and modify the top gap to get the super circulation sets going.

The key for me in maintaining circulation is making sure not to wrap the theraband too tightly and to attach the hanger just tight enough to prevent slippage. I also connect the hanger near the base and stretch my dick all the way out before tightening it- in order to grip the internals like bib recommended in his drawings. If the theraband or hanger is too tight, it will restrict blood flow. Took me a month to get it just right.