More Hanging Sets or Adding Extender

I’m not offended by any means. I just like to rant like an old fart from time to time, I think you can see where I do come from. If you stay around here 6 years from now, you’ll have similar reaction like the one I had. And I like tossed salad too, don’t think I don’t like you or anything like that. Actually I wanted to tease that guy whose name starts with ‘M’ and ends with ‘emento’. Have you ever been in a pub where old people like to bitch a bit for fun? That’s it.

Heck ya Devotion! That is awesome! It’s workin so don’t mess with it. And that is awesome you have been able to gain both girth and length at the same time! I take it you don’t buy into the whole “thicker noodle is harder to stretch” thing? I really want to say I don’t as it sounds like utter pseudoscience, but SO many people on here follow that rule I find it almost impossible to do so and find myself avoiding girth exercises like the plague aside from some 50-60% erection level jelqing. You find any synergy between the bathmate stuff you do (stretches, pumping, etc.) and the other stuff you are doing for length? I suppose, as you said, it would be hard to make the distinction of what gains came from what.

Haha ya I got you Marinera. No sweat, we are definitely cool and I do see where you come from. You and Memento - like that movie Grumpy Old Men? ;) I am actually pretty honored that all you moderators responded to my thread. There are a couple other forums I post on, mostly weightlifting and performance enhancement stuff, and they are both populated with mainly good people, but people around here seem much more inviting and down to earth. I’m used to having to be quick with the facts and really go all out to defend my positions (the world of strength and conditioning is VERY polarized), but here, I don’t think that is what people are looking to do. Here, I feel like good discussions, information and support are mainly what people are interested in. I mean sometimes stuff gets like luke-warm heated, but it is NOTHING like the debates/arguments that happen at those other forums I mentioned. Maybe that is because PE is relatively more primitive/unresearched/young and people haven’t had the time or empirical facts to form concrete positions yet, but either way, I like it here more. :)

Nahh, that’s because T is the guy who made this forum the way it is.

Great info here. Can you briefly go over what exercises/techniques are best besides hanging like you mentioned here: “any good program will address the circulatory system, soft tissue fatigue, the muscles of the pelvic girdle, etc.”

And what was the retraction from and when did it stop?

@Marinera: Ya, he is the shit!

@Ironaddict: thanks man! It’s good to hear that people here are accepting of information coming from a member with less than 20 posts. ;) OK, I will attempt to answer your questions, but keep in mind, my PE experience is limited so this is strictly coming from my understanding of tissues - especially the collagenous connective variety - and how those tissues heal and lengthen.

The circulatory system: So the veins and other blood vessels in the penis should be addressed to improve the tone of their smooth muscle and increase bloodflow. If your penis gains size or elasticity you want to be able to fill that sucker with blood when it’s time to use it, right? Well, the best way I can see to do that so far in the world of PE, exercise-wise, are jelqs and jelq variations. Jelqing causes increased blood to be “shoved” through the circulatory system, conditioning it to handle increased bloodflow. The veins become used to carrying a larger volume of blood over time and the smooth muscle surrounding the vessels should improve in tone and the elasticity of the vessels should increase to reflect this. Now, you must be careful to not damage the vessels with overwork. Blood vessel (well really most kinds of tissue) damage usually results in scar tissue formation which causes hardening and stiffness - NOT a good thing in blood vessels! Their ability to dilate and contract is essential to their normal function and stiffening/hardening hampers this - as is the case with arteriosclerosis and the cause of many strokes. Not to mention, if you burst a blood vessel you gotta take some time off more than likely. Also, integral to increased bloodflow to the penis are..

The muscles of the pelvic girdle: These muscles should be strengthened as they work the valves controlling the inflow of blood into the corpus cavernosum thereby effecting stronger and longer lasting erections - taking advantage of the improved circulatory vessels you are building with jelqs, as well as a whole host of other sexually related benefits like increased stamina, stronger orgasms, higher velocity ejaculation (OH YEAH!), and have even been said to be the first stepping stone on the road to male dry/multiple orgasms. Kegels, kegel holds, reverse kegels, weighted kegels (with towels or weights hanging from the erect penis), anal clenches and reverse clenches, along with several other pelvic girdle muscle flexes and holds are the key exercises used to strengthen these muscles.

Managing soft tissue fatigue: Now this is not something you exercise for, rather it is something you need to keep a watch for as to not allow too much of it to happen as to not be able to recover adequately between PE sessions. The corpus cavernosum, corpus spongiosum, and the glans penis all contain soft tissue of different kinds that can be fatigued and damaged. Too much of this damage is problematic for a few reasons. First, if you overly damage these tissues, just like a broken blood vessel, you will have to take a while off. Second, extensive trauma to soft tissue will also result in the formation of scar tissue. A lot of scar tissue is never desirable in any tissue as it is hard and inflexible making gains harder to achieve, and really not great for anything functionality-wise. Signs of extensive tissue trauma such as bruising, spotting, or other discoloration over a large area of the penis or very deep in hue as well as subcutaneous bleeding, relatively intense or sharp pain, more than a minimal level of swelling that sticks around, and/or lasting coldness should all be watched for and a session should be immediately discontinued if any of these signs start to show in a way that has you even remotely worried. Sorry I cannot be more exact here, everyone’s tolerance/conditioning is different but it is always better to play it on the safe side. The problem with some soft tissue damage is that the signs will not show up until later. It is important, in these cases, that the trauma be allowed to heal - a break might be necessary for a couple days.

Pretty basic stuff you hear about a lot, but ANY program, be it hanging-, extender-, manual-, pumping-, or clamping-based needs to address the above factors and include/exclude the necessary components.

Another great post. I am vastly interested in making blood flow better and strengthening the pelvic girdle as you worded it. So really just jelqs and kegels?

I do not know how to do a reverse kegel (my core just tightens up) and what is a clench? Isn’t that the same as a kegel?

Weight as low as possible, which means the first set will be 3kg and consecutive sets 2kg. Heat up for 10 minutes between every set, jelq between every 2nd set. I try to get in as many as possible, usually being 5 sets. During sets I gently swing the weight. I start out before the first set with manual stretching, kegels done throughout the day.

Fatigue seems to hit around the 3rd or 4th set.

@Ironaddict: Thanks again, and yeah, that is basically it - the short answer at least. For now, jelqing is integral to every good routine as it is the best way that we know of to make veins healthier and condition them for increased bloodflow in the penile context. Here is a parallel to weightlifting that is valid that you might understand from your own experience: When you lift weights, especially like a bodybuilder with higher reps and the maximum weight you can use for the specific rep range, the increased bloodflow you get - the “pump” - causes a change in the actual density (number), size, efficiency, and prominence (visual vascularity) of the circulatory system in a muscle over time. Since you lift, I imagine you have noticed that “shoving” more blood into your muscles has resulted in changes in the appearance of your sub-surface blood vessels to some extent unless your bodyfat is high and covers them up (but it is still happening) or you ONLY have ever lifted with very low reps, powerlifting style, but even then there would be some change. It is this increase in bloodflow on a regular basis, whether from the engorgement created when you jelq or the pump you get from lifting iron, that promotes the changes in the circulatory system you want. Aside from exercising, good nutrition and hydration supplemented with B-complex vitamins, vitamin C, calcium, magnesium, arginine, and omega 3 fish oil support a healthy circulatory system as well as reducing stress and abstaining from stimulants (which are vasorestrictors), such as caffeine, nicotine, cocaine/crack, meth, other amphetamines/classic speed, ephedrine, and ecstasy, as much as possible - probably trying to avoid the last (illegal) five in that list completely. ;) And a clench is flexing your sphincter/asshole, like you are trying to pinch one off - a reverse clench would be relaxing those same muscles. A reverse kegel is the relaxation of the BC muscle, so remember you are not trying to flex anything, just consciously relax the muscle. It is the same thing as trying to piss as hard as you can, then pay attention and relax the abs and diaphragm and if you are still doing it right you should be reverse kegeling. Eventually it should become something you can do without that whole process. The problem is all those muscles work in unison to increase urine outflow and the neuromuscular pathways most people have developed activates/deactivates them in unison and it takes practice to only target the BC muscle to relax when the neuromuscular prompt you are utilizing is ‘trying to piss as hard as you can.’ Learning to control the relaxation of the BC muscle is associated with increased control. The reason you must do such a diverse set of exercises is because the pelvic girdle is a decently complex set of muscles that often work in unison, some contracting and some relaxing during a range of sexually (and other) related functions and you must be sure each muscle is being strengthened as to avoid imbalances just like other muscle groups, like the shoulder.

Also, I wanted to say your lifting maxes are pretty decent - better than most of the collegiate footballers I have worked with. Way to go! I take it “Press” is a bench press and not a press/overhead press?

@DomXZ: Wish I could be of more help, but your program looks pretty solid to me. I’m guessing you are not going too heavy if it is taking four sets to reach fatigue on most days. You are probably right and maybe just need to give the type of hanging you are doing a break for a while in favor of lighter work, an extender, or just a break from everything. One question though: do you hang daily? Oh. And one more: how long did it take you to get to the weights you are using?

Thank you again! I am going to start doing way more kegels, that may be why I am not growing, blood flow is “eh”.

Yes those are power lifting numbers. My OHP is 265. I couldn’t imagine ever doing it with anywhere near 4.oh my gosh. I weigh 265 lbs so my numbers are “good” but not amazing. They are class 1 lifts, not quite elite.

My penis sometimes is rather firm while soft, I suspect that it is a pelvic floor issue. Erections are fine, just not as full/hard as they should be In my opinion. I don’t thin I am ever able to fully relax my BC muscle.

People, please when quoting a very long post cut it just to make clear what you are referring to, like this

Ya I need to get going on the kegels as well! I saw quick gains in both girth and length (from pumping and hanging, respectively), but now they are slowing down post newbie burst. I need to maximize my blood flow so I will know that is not the problem if they stall out completely. I REALLY hope that never happens though!

And ya that would be an incredible overhead press. A dude at this gym I used to train at could put up 405, maybe even a bit more as he just did that for fun, not a max, and it was easy. He was a bodybuilder, surprisingly, and he would rep in the 315-365 range. This was all military press though btw, not a true press: standing with no leg drive or backwards lean. And those numbers are badass for your weight! No need to be modest. ;) . I am a similar weight and my numbers (well PR maxes - I’m not close to competition status presently) were quite similar. Bench and squat were a bit higher, but my deadlift always sucked and barely stayed ahead of my bench - I have a long torso and short limbs, good for the other two, BAD for deadlift. At one point, because of a pretty long layoff from deadlifting, I was benching and deadlifting 505 (a submax to base my training lifts off of, later got it in comp in the bench though) for a week, then I hurt my wrist and couldn’t deadlift anymore for a while. I stopped powerlifting shortly after, but that injury saved me from the embarrassment of benching more than I could deadlift in a competition. ;) And seeing you list your numbers reminded me of something funny: I always put my maxes on job applications for physical labor jobs under the “personal skills/qualities” section of my résumé, and I ALWAYS got an interview and they asked about them every time. Something to think about if you are ever job shopping. :) Ok, don’t want to turn this PE thread into a lifting discussion, but two more questions: do you powerlift raw or equipped? Are you still competing?

And just practice reverse kegelling, you’ll get it. It was hard for me too, but I got it eventually. Having control of those muscles individually as well as as a group, as they mostly work together, is what gives you the sexual benefits. I’ve only been consistent enough to just see the tip of the iceberg with those, but I really like what I’m seeing so far! In terms of strictly bloodflow improvement, however, you should be able to achieve as much improvement as you like without ever reverse kegelling properly. Might be a little slower to improve, but I really can’t see any reason why that should be the case.

No, I realized that longer periods with lighter weights worked better through trial and error.

And yeah, I do hang daily. Progression wise; started with 0.5kg, and two 15 minute sets, worked up to 2kg in intervals of 0.5kg, increased to 20 minutes and after that 1 extra set per week. I’ve tried heavier weights in the first set and then drop lower to get fatigued sooner, applying as much heat as possible, swinging and fulcrums. Between all of that only lots of heat and stupid amounts of sets (14 sets being the highest) seem to give good fatigue. Heat I can do, 14 sets not so much.

Maybe this could be of interest of yours:

" Creep is a loading condition where a constant force is applied to a material over a long period of time. Thus force or load is held constant while the displacement is allowed to vary (Fig.7). Stress Relaxation is another loading condition that can be applied to a viscoelastic material. The subject material is held in a fixed displacement. Thus displacement is constant while the force is allowed to vary (Fig. 8). With SPS, a series of incremental increasing displacements are held constant over a prescribed period of time (Fig.9).
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We monitored both Stress Relaxation and Creep modulii as a function of time. We then plotted the results (Fig. 13). Our experimental results confirmed our mathematical predictions that when Stress Relaxation is employed, a viscoelastic material becomes softer or more pliable sooner than when Creep is employed.
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Dramatic variations in Total Treatment Time (TTT) and Treatment Days (TD), along with permanent gains in ROM were observed. The average TTT per direction was 2240 hours for turnbuckles, 1025 hours for dynamic splints, 712 hours for serial casting and 66 hours for SPS/Stress Relaxation.

TTT for the prescribed SPS/Stress Relaxation approach was up to thirty-four (34) times shorter than other methods evaluated here. Similar results were noted when comparing modalities by Treatment Days (TD). Variations of TD ranged up to 286% from averages of 140 days for turnbuckles, 91 days for dynamic splints, to 49 days for SPS/Stress Relaxation (Fig. 16). Based on the results, the principle of SPS/Stress Relaxation is ten (10) times more efficient than serial casting, eighteen (18) times more efficient than dynamic splinting and thirty (30) times more efficient that using a turnbuckle."

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What I said? Don’t focus on the weight you apply, focus on how far your penis is stretched.