Need Advice - No Growth

I did rotary stretches. 30 second stretches (and other time limits) in every direction. I did prolonged stretches for as long as I could. There where months that I was in the shower for more than 30 minutes every day just doing stretches trying to get hot water on my junk. For the most part I was very inconsistent. I would follow a routine for a few months and quit when I didn’t see results.

The closest thing for me that was possibly going to be effective was mem’s routine. It is a stretch over a fulcrum basically. I was even doing it incorrectly at first and still getting a great stretch.

However, a component of that routine gave me my first PE scare. More of a girth component but it was scary enough that I stopped.

The only way you will know if you will reach fatigue from hanging is when you start hanging. Right now I wouldn’t even give it a second thought. I would just try to be consistent with whatever routine you are following. Give it a fair shot and if you can increase reps or holds if you aren’t making gains then do so. I just think it does you no good worrying about something you can’t control. Especially when you are worrying about something you have no feel for.

I am pretty sure if you get to the point where you are hanging 40+ pounds for 10 hours plus a week you will feel fatigue. That is an extreme example and you probably won’t even get close to that. Understand that there have been times that I was hanging 15 pounds for 4 sets of 20 minutes before I finally felt fatigue. Are you holding your penis with 15 pounds of force for 80 minutes or 4 20 minute sets? I know that even when I did long stretching sets I had a very difficult time holding for long durations and maintaining the same level of force. Plus my hands would cramp up.

I think there are some unfortunate people that require higher weights to get results and they quit before they get to those weights. However, I also don’t know how truthful they are being to themselves about time being put in. I have a log going back to December and I thought I was putting in more time than I was. I was basically lying to myself. I am positive there are people that get frustrated and claim they did more than they actually did. I think they truly believe that they are doing more than they actually are.

This is seen in people that maintain a food log of everything that they eat. They become very aware of all the extra calories that they are putting in their mouth. Without their log they are questioning why they aren’t seeing results since they have been so good.

I think people need to log what they are doing and then be very consistent about doing their routine. Then adapt their routine as needed.

BH,

       When you say log it all I agree. I have a calender that I right down max weight used and the amount if sets. I use two alarm clocks to make sure I do not exceed the 20 min time frame. I also every Saturday rotate which way the wrap goes clockwise or counterclockwise.  So I know exactly the amount of sets done. I calculated I have done 4900 minutes or 82 hrs or 3.4 days laying on my back hanging that is calculated 5 hrs a day which I did minimum in the beginning and went as high as 6 and 8 at times .now I do 5 sets 2 days a week and 4 the rest. I did this non stop and also 2hr ADS afterwards.

Perhaps the reason you didnt get results from stretching is cuz you held for low periods. I can hold downwards sitting down for over 5 min.

Bib says you should feel fatigue the first set. If I cant feel any kind of fatigue stretching downwards for over 5 min… I doubt I will from hanging 20 pounds.

I actually feel some kind of discomfort sometimes, especially when I dont warm up, but after having hold for 2 min, this sensation goes away. I have read that fatigue remains for as long as you apply the force. Right?

Did you take a decon break before becoming a hanger?

you really show dedication and good experimentation. Having failed for years and then find the right thing is awesome. Congrats bro. Have you passed 7inches yet?

There where times I probably held for 30 minutes with good strength. However, this would really cramp my hand. Plus I was never sure how consistent I was holding.

The goal on fatigue is first 2 sets. First set is perfect but the idea is if you haven’t achieved it by the second set then you know that next week you are raising the weights upward. 1st being ideal, 2nd being the test to raise for the next week. At least that is how I always have done it.

Again you need to get out of your own head about predicting the future. You have never done hanging and here you are saying you won’t feel it at a substantial amount like 20 pounds. You are comparing oranges to grape fruits. Yes they are both citrus fruits but they don’t taste the same. They aren’t the same. I truly believe that if it takes you 40 pounds of hanging to gain then it is very unlikely that stretching would help you either. Hanging is just more precise, it frees up your hands, and it allows you to escalate a known weight maybe 60 pounds and higher.

But the main key is you are saying you don’t think it will work or the PE work you are doing now will ruin your future chances with hanging based off of no experience. If I have never done a bench press in my life how can I go around telling people that I don’t think a 200 pound bench will make me sore if all I have done is wall pushups. There is a similarity but come on.

The discomfort you feel either fades because you unknowingly lessen the force (which won’t happen with hanging) or it is something else happening.

Not only does fatigue remain it will increase unless you lessen the weight.

My entire PE career has been decon breaks between try try again. Of course they aren’t real decon breaks I was just inconsistent.

I was interested in hanging years ago but I always thought it was to insane. However, I always had the feeling it would be what I needed to get over this hump of not gaining. When my wife cheated it was all the incentive I needed to bite the bullet.

I am at least 7 1/4” but it is BPEL so with my huge fat pad it doesn’t look impressive. However, it is just a matter of time. I have the confidence of some one newly converted. I have seen the light and that’s part of what gets me frustrated when I see other people having problems with gains.

“Again you need to get out of your own head about predicting the future. You have never done hanging and here you are saying you won’t feel it at a substantial amount like 20 pounds. You are comparing oranges to grape fruits. Yes they are both citrus fruits but they don’t taste the same. They aren’t the same. I truly believe that if it takes you 40 pounds of hanging to gain then it is very unlikely that stretching would help you either. Hanging is just more precise, it frees up your hands, and it allows you to escalate a known weight maybe 60 pounds and higher.”

Yes this is what I am thinking and I am glad you believe and make me belieave that is not the truth.

your wise posts are much apreciated BH. I hope you will look like a porn star soon mate :D

That being said, I think the best hanging gainers begun PE hanging and so they ended. Do you know anybody who begun manuals like you and then succeded greatly hanging?

Honestly I would have to check. I know Marinera had a thread/poll asking that question. I know from that poll there are people that gained after stretching. His poll was more in regards to newbie gains but there was enough replies that it did show people gained after manuals.

I personally think the big difference for me was what happened with my wife. It has given me the motivation to be consistent. Maybe 10 years ago I would have quit after a month and never saw gains. There is a lot to be said about perseverance, tempered aggressiveness, and consistency.

At the same time, I do understand now that I am on the right side of the curve in regards to easy gains. I don’t know why that wasn’t so with manual stretches but with hanging I do seem to gain faster than many people.

I wish I knew why. I would gladly share it with anyone who is having problems. I have been guessing lately that it is because I have a very high exit point. I have seen that with other fast hanger gainers.

I know Bib has theorized that people that tend to sprain ankles and are more likely to hurt themselves might gain faster. Like there collagen or whatever tissue might be weaker. In my youth I was never that way. However, I am that way now but I always associated it with the extra weight I am carrying. Again it is just a theory of Bib’s and like everything else PE related I don’t know if we will ever collect enough valid data to prove any of these theories.

It is interesting. It is also interesting that there are people that gain without feeling fatigue like you did gain in the past. I am strethcing like 1 h a day , that is 7h a week. I dont feel fatigue. I think it should provide gains.

I hope the starter of this thread doesnt get upset by commenting all this.

Could you comment Monty, if you did any stratches before hanging?

For instance xenolith gained with manuals at the tub and kept on gaining with hanging afterwards. But I think there are people that gain no matter what they do. Like cantlook, if he had hung I bet he would have gained as much as stretching and using extender.

No, brother, I am not upset by anything constructive. Yes, I’m quite certain stretching was done with Jelq at the very beginning before anything else AND with every other method tried as additional. Even now, I pull some. Originally, that was a very long time ago. As you can read from my story, no gains ever so my elaboration here is just part of my story. I am a strong guy and I could never stretch for an hour. Not even close. When I stretched, I pulled pretty hard for shorter time frames. I did it in the shower under hot water, every pee break (went into stalls vs. urinals), and used a rice sock prior for heat along with dangling junior in hot water. I stretched every angle sitting, standing up, just whatever. My favorite was grabbing penis between thumb and forefinger in the sitting position and pulling my pecker out onto my thigh. My hand would “anchor” with skin on skin contact, and I could move my legs wider for an agonizing stretch. Whirlwinds felt constructive (big circles) sitting or standing. Now, I don’t recommend this, but I also stretched in the car. I would move the car seat as close to steering wheel as possible. I would grab penis as I usually do with thumb/forefinger and the steering wheel with pinky/finger next to pinky to anchor to steering wheel. I would then use the power button and move the seat back electrically. Hard pull. Did a version of this with a hanger too. It’s dangerous. Don’t do it. Not worth losing your life. Point is, I did the damn things everywhere and often when “on” the PE path. I have not pulled lighter for the purpose of doing it for an hour. Could be helpful. I am not one who has had success with stretching. I can say that I will not do these as a solo method because I believe I can’t get consistency and hard, hard pulls may even be counterproductive. Who knows.

When I said I stretch one hour a day it is of course in different sessions. Normal dayly session would be in minuts: 20,10,10,5,5,10. or any combination like this. Your favourite stretch is mine as well hehe, and is the one i use 70% perhaps. it allows to have one free hand so you can use the mobile phone :D I will be doing this for a few months, measured yesterday, it has been over 2 weeks and 0 gains. not nice, cuz i thought I would shock my dick. So I perfectly understand you when you dont gian in sucha long time.

Now, it is very very strange you didnt een get your newbie gains. i personally gained half inch and I think it is mainly better EQ due to squeezes ullis and jelqs. Do you do good jelqing sessions? I do it, like 5 times a week, 10 min at night.

It seems mate that you got strong ligs like I think I do as well. And you just seem to need more wieght to hang and also would be great to do it for more sets. There will be a time were you will reach that threshold adn will gain something. If you are not willing to reach more than 22-24 pounds you can also go for pumping, it seems to enlarge tunica both lenghtwise and girth.

Did you always use heat when stretching? some people like bennet argues that in order to shock the penis is better to not always warmp up. His gains are great, but again he probably is one of those guys who could have gained with any other method as well.

No, not always. A lot of the time I was in bathroom at work and other times. I would guess less than 25% I used heat. Bennet8 is my biggest hero here and ultimately why I’ve decided to share my journey now.

I wish I knew why brother. I’ve decided to dedicate 6 months to PE again under some traction/tension program. If I haven’t gained anything, I’ll likely quite. The act of PE isn’t what I’m after. I’m here to gain and if I can’t, I’ll move on probably. I had a glimmer of hope that I lost with hanging so maybe now that I have more time, I’ll give it another legitimate attempt. As far as pumping goes, I don’t want to purchase another quality pump. They cost too much vs the lack of benefit I noticed while using mine.

Yes man. One month hanging is nothing. Keep us updated. If you gain you’ll b a great inspiration for many.

Yes man. One month hanging is nothing. Keep us updated. If you gain you’ll b a great inspiration for many.

Do you personally feel hanging being more effective than stretching so far? More fatigue?