New ideas (maybe) on Girth vs Length

Bib is the man and in NO way do I dismiss his advice at any time. However, here are some things to consider.

I have been working on my hanging techniques and at the same time would like to have more girth. Girth has many benefits including a better grip in the hanger allowing more weight comfortably… leading to better gains?

Anyway, Bib said long ago and many have since quoted him that length is best targeted first as a thicker penis presents more resistance to lengthening… as the theory goes.

Now, if I am not mistaken, Bib made girth gains near the base (apx the 1st 3rd) from hanging but no other hanging girth gains. He finished his growth with ULI type work for girth. Also, if memory serves he kept the hanger as close to the base as realistic for most of his hanging time.

If the above is accurate, it would seem that either the stresses of hanging caused the tissues to grow/stretch between his body and the hanger attachment or possibly/probability some tissue growth coupled with the added size of ligament tissue being pulled out along the penis as the ligament attachment points within the penis move away from the body as the penis elongates.

Anyway, as most hangers know, the hanger is taking up a number of inches of length. Hmmm… hanging is good for base girth and yet base growth/stretching seems to be where the length gains are coming from. And, since ULI work and Jelking concentrate on the last 2/3rds of the penis, maybe, just maybe, both can be attacked at the same time… or at least inter dispersed.

So, if the above is relevant… it would seem that one could hang AND do girth work and maybe even get better gains due to the extra stresses being placed on fatigued tissues.

I have started doing ULI work in between hanging. I am also trying to hang light weight in between heavy sets. I seem to easily tolerate 5 pounds for half an hour with a lightly tightened hanger. Of course I check the head often for feeling. The goal here is not to force more length as much as keep the tissues elongated and under some stress.

It is also interesting to note that Bib gained girth with modest internal pressure (again if memory serves) by staying wrapped and allowing his penis to fill with blood and stay that way but not tourniquet clamped all the time (although he did that also). I am thinking that some maximum work to force micro tears followed by modest work to maintain the tears while some healing and adaptation takes place may contribute nicely to over all gains.

Now, I am only a modest gainer by some standards so I offer this as merely my thoughts with the possibility of bettering everyones understanding and gains.

Good points. If you are hanging near the base I dont see much problem with adding girth to the top only which can be done, look at the guys who end up with with baseball bat cocks. I have stopped hanging (until I make a better one) and just manually stretch now, the hanger did get sore at times and I wonder if it would be better with extra girth as you say. Bib says the thicker penis will have more resistance but is this really a problem if you hang weights, you just increase the weight, no? Is it safe to put on an Uli device and attach a light weight to it, forcing blood into the glans like a normal Uli but stretching at the same time? I did this accidentally a few times and the enlarged head kept the hanger in place well, didnt get sore either.

NE,

>Also, if memory serves he kept the hanger as close to the base as realistic for most of his hanging time. <

No. I placed the hanger usually about where the hanger instructions point out. I wrapped starting at about the circ scar, then the hanger went on about a quarter inch behind the start of the wrap.

>If the above is accurate, it would seem that either the stresses of hanging caused the tissues to grow/stretch between his body and the hanger attachment or possibly/probability some tissue growth coupled with the added size of ligament tissue being pulled out along the penis as the ligament attachment points within the penis move away from the body as the penis elongates. <

If I had to guess, I would say that the inner shaft that was pulled out was already thicker in girth.

>So, if the above is relevant… it would seem that one could hang AND do girth work and maybe even get better gains due to the extra stresses being placed on fatigued tissues. <

Possibly, until those tissues go through a couple of cycles of healing. Then they will be tougher. This is not a guess, it has been proven in clinical situations many times. Tissues under stress become stronger.

>I have started doing ULI work in between hanging. I am also trying to hang light weight in between heavy sets. I seem to easily tolerate 5 pounds for half an hour with a lightly tightened hanger. Of course I check the head often for feeling. The goal here is not to force more length as much as keep the tissues elongated and under some stress. <

Do you find the ULI work makes your shaft too sore to hang heavy?

>It is also interesting to note that Bib gained girth with modest internal pressure (again if memory serves) by staying wrapped and allowing his penis to fill with blood and stay that way but not tourniquet clamped all the time (although he did that also). I am thinking that some maximum work to force micro tears followed by modest work to maintain the tears while some healing and adaptation takes place may contribute nicely to over all gains.<

I agree with this, whether for girth or length. Just not at the same time.

trigger,

>Bib says the thicker penis will have more resistance but is this really a problem if you hang weights, you just increase the weight, no?<

It is all relative. The premise that you would have to add more weight would bring about the problem of comfort at higher weights. If you can gain length at lower stresses, is this not preferable?

>Is it safe to put on an Uli device and attach a light weight to it, forcing blood into the glans like a normal Uli but stretching at the same time? I did this accidentally a few times and the enlarged head kept the hanger in place well, didnt get sore either.<

When I tried this, it was simply too intense. I was able to gain with only the engorgement provided by the internal pressure generated by an UlI thing without added weight.

A larger head will help with hanging. But I did it solely with the engorgement provided by staying wrapped. At least in the beginning.

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Bib,

Thanks for the clarifications and insights. Regarding enlarging the head with engorgement wraps… from memory it seems that you let the wrap resist reverse flow of blood and the slow engorgement created a growing head… why? it doesn’t seem like there was enough force to break down tissue instead it seems that there was some stretching but probably more due to stress induced growth… at a lower level of stress than would seem to be indicated by hanging… hmmm… what is going on here?

For me, I will get a full erection and then tightly wrap to create as much internal pressure as possible. I will keep this in place for about 10 minutes by which time the entire engorged area is purple. Although feeling fatigued I am still able to do light hanging almost immediately and generally heavier hanging later. I haven’t had an instance where I was too sore to hang. The head is mostly my concern as it still takes too much of the hanger load with anything except BTC. Strangely, I can hang more weight with comfort BTC than SO or SD.

Ultimately, I am just trying different ways to first fatigue the various tissue and then place it under stress to force growth. To quote you… divide and conquer!

NE,

>Thanks for the clarifications and insights. Regarding enlarging the head with engorgement wraps… from memory it seems that you let the wrap resist reverse flow of blood and the slow engorgement created a growing head… why?<

The wrap simply impedes the return flow of blood thru the veins which are located close to the surface. The supplying arteries are well within the chambers of the penis. So, blood flows in, but it does not flow out very well. Physics will tell you this will increase internal pressure. When the pressure becomes high enough, the blood will be forced past the wrap, or your head will explode, or become larger anyway.

>it doesn’t seem like there was enough force to break down tissue instead it seems that there was some stretching but probably more due to stress induced growth… at a lower level of stress than would seem to be indicated by hanging… hmmm… what is going on here?<

You need to try it. If you get the wrap at the correct tightness, it will engorge that head tremendously over a couple of hours. It will become so intense that you have to loosen the wrap and let off the pressure at times.

>For me, I will get a full erection and then tightly wrap to create as much internal pressure as possible. I will keep this in place for about 10 minutes by which time the entire engorged area is purple.<

I always wrapped while flaccid, and then let the upper shaft and head fill on their own. You are doing a more active type of Uli. It sounds like you have the wrap too tight to wear for an extended time.

>Although feeling fatigued I am still able to do light hanging almost immediately and generally heavier hanging later. I haven’t had an instance where I was too sore to hang.<

It would take me hours to recover from an intense Uli session. I learned quickly to hang first, Uli later, when I was beginning my girth program, while still on hanging maintanence.

>The head is mostly my concern as it still takes too much of the hanger load with anything except BTC. Strangely, I can hang more weight with comfort BTC than SO or SD.<

Maybe the head is not taking too much load. Maybe the problem is doing the ULis, head becomes sore, makes it hard to hang.

How does the head take too much load anyway? If you want the shaft to take more load, then tighten the hanger a little more.

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Bib, thanks as usual.

No, I don’t get extended soreness from ULIs. I have only been doing the short 10 minute turniquet ULIs and the main soreness is around the clamp area.

From what I remember you happened upon your technique while just staying wrapped between hanging sets. I have tried a couple of times to get the right tightness but I now see the advantage of a very precisely adjustable clamp as you have shown intructions for.

It would appear that the estended time with a relatively small force (blood pressure vs. hanging) that the tissues will expand and as such over time adapt by growing/streching.

Regarding the above, and forgive me if this has been asked before, but is your flaccid size of your head and upper shaft dramatically different from your errect size? By that I mean does the erect size seem to be more from expanded/stretched corpus tissue or do you feel that actuall cellular growth has occured, or a combination?

The reason I ask is that it seems that blood pressure is a lesser stress than hanging. It also seems that long term blood pressure will cause girth gains similar to the length gains of hanging. As you have stated the tissues will thicken and therefore become more difficult to extend and thus the need for more hanging weight. Obviously, blood pressure can not be manipulated as such. Therefore, what exactly is going on? Is long term low stress equally as effective as short term high stress? I ask this as it applies to hanging and the tissue response.

NE,

>It would appear that the estended time with a relatively small force (blood pressure vs. hanging) that the tissues will expand and as such over time adapt by growing/streching.

Surely. The only question is the strength of the next limiting factors, and how long it will take at various stresses to make them fail. If the next limiting factor is very tough, and the stress used is light, then you may die before it ever fails.

>Regarding the above, and forgive me if this has been asked before, but is your flaccid size of your head and upper shaft dramatically different from your errect size? By that I mean does the erect size seem to be more from expanded/stretched corpus tissue or do you feel that actuall cellular growth has occured, or a combination?<

Damn good question. My erect head size is much larger than my flaccid head size. But my current flaccid head size is much larger than my flaccid head size prePE.

I believe the answer, in my case, is that both occured. There was meat added, and the head cavern is larger to accept more blood.

>The reason I ask is that it seems that blood pressure is a lesser stress than hanging. It also seems that long term blood pressure will cause girth gains similar to the length gains of hanging. As you have stated the tissues will thicken and therefore become more difficult to extend and thus the need for more hanging weight. Obviously, blood pressure can not be manipulated as such.<

I am not sure of what you write. But internal blood pressure can be manipulated with wrappng, an Uli thing, horses, or jelqing.

>Therefore, what exactly is going on? Is long term low stress equally as effective as short term high stress? I ask this as it applies to hanging and the tissue response.<

It depends on the streength of the next limiting factors. Sometimes a small stress can work for quite a while, and sometimes a much larger stress is needed. If the small stress does not impact the next limiting factors very much, the time required may be out of your constraints.

An immortal fly lands each day on top of the empire state building in the same place. He jumps up and down for twelve hours. How many days will it take for him to drive the building into the ground?

As far as short term, high stress, once again it is relative to the strength of the next limiting factor. If the failure point of the NLF is lower than the stress provided, then it will fail rather quickly, and some small growth will occur. Then the next stress required may be much lower, depending on the NLF, and so on.

What is cool is this; we have our own monitoring system installed. Our system of nerves will fairly well let us know what is going on with our levels of stress applied, and the strength of our NLF.

Using this system, and considering the above, I recommend hanging your max weight to fatigue, as quickly as possible, and then lowering the weight as needed throughout the session. Then starting the process over the next day.

If you feel pain, you know you went too far. Fatigue will warn you of when you are pushing the envelope. If you feel nothing, you know you are not providing enough stress to change the tissues (probably).

A good PE routine or system is designed to force controlled damage within a time period that is within the individuals constraints.

Is that kind of what you are looking for?

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Bib,

You mentioned before that if you feel overfatigued hanging BTC or SD, you should switch to a few days to OS or SO. Is this okay even if the LOT is still at about 8:30?

I also have a home-made ADS device that I could wear at very low pressure to have the microtears heal at a stretched length instead of hanging OS during these overfatigued days.

What do you think?

By the way, when I hang and I look at porno, my dick gets engorged at the base up to the hanger. This makes hanging feel 100% better!! I go from fighting mild pain to actual pleasure. The force of the weight seems to convert the nerve impulses from pain to pleasure.

cc,

>You mentioned before that if you feel overfatigued hanging BTC or SD, you should switch to a few days to OS or SO. Is this okay even if the LOT is still at about 8:30? <

Sure. Hanging SO for a bit is not going to hurt your progress. If you have to drop more than 50% in weight from your max, then switch to another angle for the rest of that day. But you do not have to do it for “a few days”. Usually, by the next day, I could go back to my primary angle.

>I also have a home-made ADS device that I could wear at very low pressure to have the microtears heal at a stretched length instead of hanging OS during these overfatigued days. What do you think? <

I think that is splendid.

>By the way, when I hang and I look at porno, my dick gets engorged at the base up to the hanger. This makes hanging feel 100% better!! I go from fighting mild pain to actual pleasure. The force of the weight seems to convert the nerve impulses from pain to pleasure. <

I have no experience with this. If you mean fully engorged, it is probably at least a little dangerous.

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Bib. If one has the privacy couldn’t the bib just be used as an ads system providing the weight used is light and the attachment itself is light?

GK,

Given your provisions, yes it can.

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Only the base gets fully engorged and the head somewhat also. Obviously, the hanger and weight keep it from going erect but the base is actually more engorged than in a normal erection if I happen to be looking at porno at the time.

Since it feels so good, the only danger there is forgetting to take a break once the head turns blue which happens at around the 15 min. mark.

cc,

Just keep a really close eye on it.

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