Quickest way to fatigue

Where do you get the logic to step it up, when you’re gaining? That’s the worst idea I’ve ever heard, no matter how many times I hear it.

Additionally, the things you have seen on hanging were written by clamp hangars. Application of weight and forceb distributes differently in a sleeve versus a clamp.

Also, sleep PE is pretty poor practice. The harder you try and more unsuccessful hours you put in, the less you’ll get out of PE at all.

Stepping it up while already gaining is a pretty bad idea, but I disagree…..wrapping a bungee around your neck to do PE while sleeping is the worst idea I’ve ever heard.

Bib’s method worked for me. Start out with a minimal weight, then maximize time, getting up to several hours per day hanging. Then slowly increase the weight. The time will do the work. I reached fatigue at surprisingly low weight by maximizing time. With the hanger modifications in the “hang without wrap?” thread I was able to skip Bib’s admonition to increase by only 1 set per week. I can reach fatigue very quickly, about one week into a hanging cycle.

People see Bib’s history and think he was hanging in pain all day at 20-30 pounds, like he was hanging heavy. Nope. He was hanging 7 hours a day with light, easy weight (for him). The time did the work, and eventually he’d have to lower.

Think of 3 zones for weight choices.

Too light (nothing will happen even at 7 hours per day, i.e. you never have to lower weight)
Working weight zone (time does the work, eventually after several sets you have to lower weight)
Too heavy (cannot sustain this weight for even 1 set without pain)

Once I figured out how to identify if I’d slipped into too heavy or too light zone, it was easy to stay in the working weight zone. If you suspect you’re in “too light” territory, wait a few sets before adjusting up, because it might just be that it needs more time. But if you suspect you’re in “too heavy” territory, adjust down immediately.

Angles, using a pulley to maximize your options is a great way to get things going. Twisting (gently) the orientation of your penis from hanging one side to the other, as it’s being pulled in the BTC position also helps. Though I really believe working several angles using a pulley setup in combination with BTC and SD is the real key to hitting some sort of failure quicker.

A lot of literature around here and other PE sites seem to echo Bib’s thinking that you should start at BTC, then go to SD/SO, etc. My experience has been that adaptation can happen quickly, and that applying multiple (two or more) angles during a workout seems to hit parts of the shaft and ligs much more effectively, with way less adaptation to a given weight.

For instance, I was up to 15 pound on my MH doing BTC and SD only. Shifted to a crude pulley setup in my office chair, started doing SO with 10 pounds and I can now only handle that same weight in the SD position. There’s literally no way I can do more and I can feel a pronounced ache all the time in what I deem to be like an entire circle around the exit point of my penis from the body, in addition to the stresses I can feel during the set throughout the shaft up to the anchor point of the hanger.

EQ has went up to as a result of the weight drop, in combination with the tissues reduced ability to adapt to stress. That’s a win-win in my book. It’s much easier to work (I work from home) using the pulley setup during the majority of my sets too, as you don’t need to do as many gymnastic positions in the chair, lol!

In my experience, vac hangers are far more comfortable, but far more likely to give you blisters. I can do 12-15 lbs of weight with a vac hanger, but I have to keep the sets short (20 minutes or so) and do multiple sets to get time in. Compression-style hangers (like the bib) are far less likely to give you a blister, but far more uncomfortable. To get the bib right, you have to wrap carefully, get the tightness on all the screws just perfect, and attach it in the right position. If you do those things, it isn’t so bad.

I think BeardedDragon is generally right. Longer time with less weight is better than less time with more weight. But I also think that switching from one approach to the other is a good way to break through a plateau - i.e. first try more time & less weight until you stop gaining, then do more weight & less time until you stop gaining, then go back to longer time & less weight.

What I do is a combination of vac and compression hanging. I’m focusing more on the bib and less on the vac hanger these days because I want to minimize blisters.

All good advice. Right now I’m using 5# to start then I go to 7#, a set of each with heat before between and after. Along with maybe 100 jelqs in the shower. GF grabbed it in the shower the other day and looked at me and said, “.heavy.. “

Getting some gains, mostly in EQ, but no fatigue yet. I’m doing hour long sets. I wonder if I shorten the sets to put heat on it more often, if it will loosen things up quicker and get me to fatigue in same total time with same weight

Get an IR lamp for constant heat. It’s worth every penny for hanging. Because hanging is done flaccid, and under tension, there is little bloodflow to keep the unit warm. Cold tissues naturally get less circulation which then makes them colder and get less circulation, and so on. Warmth and high circulation are both good for gaining.

I find that I get an EQ boost at the beginning of a hanging cycle, the first week, before fatigue sets in. The erectile tissues are spongy, and so stretching them out invites blood into the sponge, which can kickstart the erectile response since a full sponge puts closure pressure on the veins.

Once fatigue sets in, the EQ boost disappears. I think Bib’s recommendation to briefly stimulate an erection between each set is brilliant as well. It gives all the tissues a full dose of fresh oxygen and nutrients, drains off some of the cellular waste from the damage done, and nearly eliminates any EQ drop from hanging or any supposed hanging refractory period after the day’s sets. I have no such problems, I could hang for 4 hours and then keep an hour long erection if I wanted to.

An hour long erection? I’d respond to that but I’m at a loss for words lol

Sometimes length is more important than girth after all.