Starting to feel like BTC isn't the ultimate lig stretch

Okay, now I know a lot of you will disagree with me on this but these are just my experiences.

During the first few months I started hanging I never did BTC hanging and my ligs were feeling sore everytime plus I got a decent tunica stretch.
What I did was a sort of reverse sitting arrangement where I would sit on my desk with my feet on my chair and I would let the weight hang freely, which some would call SD. This allows me to work on my laptop, watch movies or tv extremely comfortably since I just have to put the thing on my lap.
Long story short I gained….. a lot.
I quit PE for a bit and when I decided to get back into it, I was reading up on BTC hanging and it seemed logical to me that it would give an ultimate stretch an sore feeling so I abandoned my original setup. Now, the thing was, I could feel a good stretch more so than my original setup but I didn’t get that "tearing lig" feeling for lack of a better term.
I did gain a bit but the rate I was gaining slowed down significantly and I had to do more weight and sets to get that "tearing" feeling again, which was time consuming.
I thought that maybe it was because I was just getting used to the weight.

Now although I abandoned my current hanging routine for someone else’s to see if I have similar gains (Taking time off my own routine to follow someone else’s for 3 months) I decided to try out my very first routine and see whether there was a difference.

Results?
2, 30 minutes sets in (didn’t even finish the second, I got to 23 minutes) and I felt I was going to rip my penis from my ligs, I just had to stop. That was the feeling I had been chasing all these months since I switched up..

My conclusion?

I always felt that the supposed stretch I feel when doing BTC comes from the fact that I’m using my hips to support the weight rather than letting the ligs go at it alone. Plus my penis was always resting in between my ass cheeks which I should assume gives extra support. I also feel this approach works on both the tunica and ligs. Like the perfect blending of both.

I think it’s like throwing a javelin. If you want to throw the max distance, you have to throw as close to the sweet spot which is an angle of 45 degrees. You get maximum results. High enough to stay off the ground, horizontal enough to keep travelling well horizontally.

These are just my observations. Maybe some of you can try it out and see what results you get.

Aggolb

UPDATE: Tried to “ride the fatigue” at lower weight…. impossible :D

BTC is an ideal angle to rip the penis from the body but a poor one for length gains. Granted it did become the default angle for hangers that were looking for something different to concur boredom
The LOT theory does have some validity though and is one of the biggest reasons to avoid purely SD or BTC hanging..What it says is that SD and BTC will affect erection posture.

A much better approach to hanging is to figure out how to accomplish SO hanging and then incorporate angles of stress on the ligs to facilitate a wider and fuller result upon lig stretching.
SD and BTC will stretch the ligs mostly on the top side and after long periods will affect the total length but to the sacrifice of erection posture.

Once you have accomplished the SO hanging angle and experience other easily accomplished angles and their benefits, SU becomes obviously of benefit to the reputwa of flexible angles as well as it would correct a lost erection posture problem in that it stretches the underside of the ligs.

I offer the above as an FYI to a hanging routine.

In any hanging position, eventually the weaker parts of the tissues equalize with others supporting the load. Broader positions, such as straight down, out or up, are shared by lots of tissue, thus more weight/time is eventually required to continue further working them.

We can’t just keep piling on more weight and/or time. So, the solution in the advancing stages of a hanging career is to apply the available effort in a more concentrated manner. That means specializing by focusing the existing amount of weight/time on smaller and smaller amounts of tissues. If you want to continue making progress hanging, that’s just how it goes.

When SD/SO/BTC stops producing, go OTS. When split (meaning alternating shoulders during a session) OTS stops, focus all of your hanging time entirely on only one shoulder OTS, then later spend all of your time on the other. When that ends, go OTL, then OTL to only one side at a time, etc. Or whatever positions work for you. Not necessarily in that order, but the principle applies. You have to become more and more specific as time goes on.

Divide and conquer was a common saying here years ago, and specifying is exactly what that means — focusing your effort on smaller areas as required.

I agree with you 100% Hobby, except I don’t recommend staying at one particular angle for long periods. It isn’t necessary. A few minutes at each angle does the trick at stressing that particular set of tissues that are being focused on.

I recommend spending the predominant amount of time the in the position which will lead to length gains. The amount of time to spend in OTL left, right, OTS left, right, BTC, SD or SU can usually be a feeling thing in that you will feel when there has been enough time devoted to that particular angle to accomplish an effective enough stretch to weaken those tissues to allow easier stretching to the real effort to lengthen the ligs. I don’t think I ever spent more then a couple of minutes at each angle always returning to the basic angle for length gains.

I did however spend a similar small amount of time applying fulcrums to each of those angles which certainly does focus the weight or stress on that particular set of tissues.

I’d like to reiterate Hobby’s advise to not keep piling on more and more weight. With the ability to apply angles to a hanging routine what you will see will be continuous gains with no weight increases necessary.

What was your maximum weight, Monty?

I’m currently at 7 kg (15,43 lbs) and I don’t see myself increasing in a long time, if ever at all. For the first time I’m experiencing good fatigue.

I try to hit OTL L/R on each set, but this weight is a little too heavy for fulcrums, so I’m currently doing those manually in between sets or during the day when I take a piss.

I was at 17 lbs for a very long time. When I got close to me goal I was very near 20lbs as my base weight.

I had the same experience with fulcrums and I would reduce my weight to something stressful but more comfortable. Fulcrums at your base weight is a little much to endure and isn’t really necessary. We’re wanting to stress the tissues but for sure something other then our base angle doesn’t require the same weight to produce the micro-tears that we need to produce gains.

Just out of curiosity: How are you doing fulcrums when you take a piss??

Thanks, Monty.

I’m doing fulcrums while holding my left hand at the wrist of my right hand, using the left hand as a fulcrum. I believe they’re called A-stretches?

Right, those are inverted V A-stretches but don’t carry quit the impact of a tight fulcrum via a thumb which would be equivalent to bending over a 3/4” dowel. You see what your doing is only one aspect of angle fulcrums which when a tight fulcrum is applied to OTL or SU hanging now your going to see ligament and tunica stretching on a much wider area. A V stretch only affects the top of the tunica and similarly the top of the ligs, whereas OTL fulcrums affect left and right sides of the ligs as well as the outside tissues of the tunica. The tighter the fulcrum bend the more affect it will have. Now that doesn’t mean that you just produce the angle and let it be, what I do is move the fulcrum up and down or left and right of the starting point which moves the stress up and down the ligament as well as the tunica, so your spreading the affect of the fulcrum over a much greater area. The trick here is to produce a 90 deg angle as tight as possible

I see.

I don’t ever see anyone else talking about this in conjunction with hanging. Did you figure all of this out yourself?

I’m closing in on my retirement for now, I think. Passed 100 hours today. :)

yeah It’s from my personal experience. I kept very concise records and when I was done it reflected my philosophy.

Why retire? Have you reached your goal?

Cool.

I’m retiring because I don’t really have the time to continue with hanging without it reducing the quality of other parts of my life that I deem more important. My BPFSL is 19,0 cm with my last officially measured BPEL being 17,5 cm.

If I could achieve and cement a BPEL of 18,0 cm I would be very happy and probably retire for good. If I could get even more, even better! :)

Monty,

You had mentioned in another topic all the angles you do for your gains. I would love to see some sort of instructional video. Any possibility of that?

Actually I don’t have any video that shows how the SO position works for doing angles. I can see your need for a video to show how it is done though.
I’ll need to go into full video production mode but at the moment I don’t have a studio set up to shot in. I’ll try to do one down the road but it will take a little time.

I think focusing all of your available time on ever smaller and more specific areas can be necessary, particularly in later stages of a PE career, mostly due to lack of time to work everything thoroughly. On a related note, I think a relatively long period of stretching/hanging per session is important. Whether consolidating all of one’s time in a single, static position or several that are complimentary makes much difference, I don’t know.

Personally, I don’t feel, and I mean feeling subjectively in the tissues as well as judging from post-session temporary increase in measured BPFSL, that a good stretching or hanging session even starts until about 20 minutes in. Depends, but that’s the beginning for me, subjectively. The first 20 minutes or X amount of time is warm up fluff. It’s like watering your lawn. If you sprinkle a little water on top, the roots don’t get watered, plus a lot of the water quickly evaporates. The first X minutes of hanging or stretching are like misting your lawn with water. While necessary to becoming deeply watered, the first part is only a prelude to what the lawn really needs, which is a good, slow deep soak. Same with stretching. Time under tension matters. Years ago there was a rather good thread here about time under tension — thoughts and dug up research about it, why it likely matters, and so on.

If a guy has limited time to hang or stretch and is somewhat advanced at PE, I suspect his time is better spent hanging or stretching in only one general direction instead of bouncing around trying to touch on everything. And the more advanced, the more need to spend the available time on smaller groups of tissues, as more and more is required of that to continue eeking out ever-diminishing gains.

The worked feeling is not only subjective (though I understand exactly what you mean), and perhaps also not the best indicator of success (we don’t really know). It’s what we have to go on, and at least for now seems to be the only indicator we have of what indicates “worked.” Go with it. Maintaining that feeling is dependent on the amount of time needed to attain it, and then keep it going. All else being equal, more time under tension using less weight seems to be better than shorter time using more weight. However, it’s all a balancing act. Most can’t hang or stretch all day, at least not with effective amounts of weight. Thus, we are forced more and more over time to specify the hanging or stretching positions used to maintain some degree of that “worked” feeling.

Now that I’m exclusively manually stretching, I see more and more the benefits of fulcrum and/or minor complementary changes of angles. For example, lately I’ve been starting out going what in hanging would be OTS to the sides (manual stretching out/up to the hip bones), then about half way through switching to over the wrist, which is an upward focused fulcrum. An hour or so total per session. As I said, I don’t feel that I’m even warmed up until about 20 minutes in. Ideally, get in 2 sessions per day, but usually I can’t.

I don’t think “piss pulls” or short stretching sessions throughout the day are productive, and they may actually be counterproductive by contributing to contraction.

For what it’s worth.