Some thoughts and questions

I have been pumping a couple of months now. At first it was like a dream come true, my unit got bigger and stayed bigger for a couple of hours and maybe a whole day. Then I over trained and lost my erection and gains. I had a pause and got my erections back. I bought a right sized cylinder but I cant get the expansions anymore that I used to get with my old pump and cylinder. I quess it has something to do with the silicone seal that I used with older pump so that the pressure hit more more to the dick that was not sealed and I got a nice fluid buildup which was only a positive sign for me. I have to try that old pump again although the cylinder is way too big in that one.

Q1: I read a lot about that stay in 4-5HG. I just dont get it because 4-5HG does absolutely nothing to my unit. With 4-5 HG my unit is not even close to its normal erection size. So I just dont understand how my unit could grow when it never exceeds its normal erection size. I dont usually go in to tube with erection since I dont get erection that easily. I start to feel some pressure at 7-10HG and can go to 12-15HG without any pain. Does anyone else has this “problem”? I think there is nothing wrong with gauge since I have two gauge and I think they show pretty much same HG with same kind of feeling.

Q2: I bought IR-lamp to do heating. Do you heat your penis and cylinder all the time when pumping? It gets pretty easily too hot and one time I felt a burning pain when the cylinder got so hot and my unit hit the cylinder size, it was really strong pain. Do you use IR-heat after pumping?

Q3: If you are doing manual streching do you do it before or after pumping session? I feel that after pumpin when there is a good flaccid size it is good to strech but then I lose that big fat flaccid when I do the streching. If I put a penis ring after pumping I got a bigger flaccid size for a longer time period.

Well, it would be nice to have some comments on these issues.

Hello,

We started at rather similar sizes, I’ve been pretty happy with my gains. And I am pumping everyday.

When it comes to pressure, I pump until it starts getting so tight that one more pump will start hurting.. But never for too long, I try to never let my skin swell.( or very little )

I wrote a few posts on pumping that could maybe help you.

Read them.

Do you enter the tube erect?

How long do you pump at 4-5”hg? Once conditioned, you should pump for at least 15 minutes continuous, but for max expansion you should shoot for a 30 minute continuous session. Remember, successful pumping is time and pressure, not just pressure alone. So when you describe what you are doing, include both variables.

Q1: Like gprent said, there is any erection before start pumping? If not, try starting completely erect. With me, entering erect or flaccid (by choise I only do it erect), when pressure hits 100mm hg (~4”hg) my penis ends larger than a normal erection.

Q2: Been using spacer heater (2 lamps on) during my entire sessions. I stand in front of it, doing my routine, at a safe distance … easy like that.

Q3: My routine is progressive, starting with less intense exercise, so: stretches -> jelqs -> pump -> edging. Looks really advanced doing stretches at the end of the session, because your penis is beat up, seeking for recovery … just don’t sound good to “pull” him off in this situation.

Great information right there.

5 HG isn’t the max.pressure guys use.Some lunatics go 20+ but you should definitely feel 5 HG ,if not your gauge is messed or your pump sucks.

Absolutely not recommended, the chances to mess up our only dick … just not worth it.

There’s one member that pumps with an industrial pump at 31” hg (don’t ever do that, If you want your penis “to live”).

That’s why I called them lunatics. If I go to 8 HG my penis feels like it will explode. 5 HG @ 20-30 minutes is plenty.

If you are pumping for length then you need to be close to your FSL for length gains. This means the right sized tube and the right pressure. If you are looking for girth, then a wider tube and lower pressure for a longer time seems to be the consensus. I have read about people gaining with all types of pumping regimes, some at 3-4Hg for 30 mins, others at higher pressures for lower 10 mins and then the brave or foolish who spike to very high pressures.

I have not been pumping for long but I am forming the opinion that your pumping experience should be driven by physiological indicators not numbers.

The expansion you see after pumping is due to odeama. The way it works is like this: The natural function of the circulatory system is that fluid and proteins leak by osmosis from the capillaries into the surrounding tissues. This nourishes the tissues and the lymphocytes (one of the proteins) help fight infection in the tissue. The lymphatic system is the circulatory return for this fluid (lymph), with it being reinserted into the venous system just below the collar bone.

When you pump, you saturate the tissues in you penis with lymph. This includes mainly the smooth muscle in the corpus cavernosum and the outlying skin. There may be transport of lymph between the layers of the tunica albuginea and the tunica and the buck fascia but I think this is minimal?

So the engorged look is due to fluid buildup in the penis and the subsequent return to normal size is due to the lymphatic system clearing this odeama, so the temporary pumped look shouldn’t be confused with girth gains.

Real girth gains come from micro tears in the tunica that repair at the larger size. Pumping may help facilitate this because the odeama may help keep the tunica in an expanded state while it heals, which is a good thing.

In order for the micro tears to heal you need freshly oxygenated blood. If you pump up too high and get too much odeama then the oxygenated blood needed for tissue repair is not maximized.

I hypothesize that pumping at low pressures for a time that gives you a (say) 10% girth expansion in the tube is enough to produce gains and may maximize gains. Pumping at lower pressures for shorter times more times spread through the day should yield the best results.

It is so easy to overdo pumping because of the appeal of the temporary gains. It takes discipline to maximize your potential results.

When pumping watch EQ closely. If you can’t get hard afterwards then you have over done it.

gprent and Useless: Like I said I am not usually fully erected when going to tube. I am not a young guy anymore and an erection is not so easy to get. I do also sports nearly every day and I train hard which always lowers my libido for a couple of hours (which is completely normal. If you are thinking pussy after workout then you really didnt train hard, so they speak). So my only option is to go flaccid or semi-erect to the tube most of the times. Will this make pumping useless for me?

timeoutfortony: Thanks for informational answer. Like I said I dont think there is a mistake on my gauge since I have 2 of them. If I go to tube fully erect and pump 3-4HG I dont think that I notice any pressure at all. Sometimes I am at 5HG and I dont feel anything. Sometimes I start to feel some pressure at 10HG and that feels good, not sexually so good but its a good feeling, cock getting bigger and feeling it. I have read this from different sources that use 4-6HG but I cant believe that it would work in my case. If I am fully erect, go to tube with 5HG, I am pretty soon semi-erect, cock is much shorter than fully erect and about same girth, so its just like maybe a bit swollen semi-erect cock adn when I took it out its about totally flaccid. How could this make my cock bigger in the long run, I just believe it would. I believe that cock should be bigger than fully erect when in tube, like you said I believe that 10% is enough. Main thing is that it is larger than ever without pump, causing those microtears and ending up being bigger.

You also said that if I dont get erection after pumping session then I have overdone it. Sometimes I do get erections but sometimes not. Sometimes erection comes hard maybe 1-4 hours after pumping session, bigger than it was before I started pumping. I think that it is not neseccary to get an erection after pumping session if you cock is a bit beaten up but if you are losing your everyday EQ then you are overtraining whatever PE you are doing.

Used to start pumping flaccid and end up the same as entering erect.

dtwarren1942 for example, is a pumper that starts flaccid and had great gains.

Great post by timeoutfortony. Agree with all that: micro-tears = plastic deformation.

I’m fairly new to this too, but I think to get length gains from pumping you need to significantly exceed your normal erect length inside the tube. For me, this means entering the tube erect and at least 4 inHg, and so I usually use short cycles (1-2 mins) upto 10 inHg max instead - for maybe a 10 minute set. I don’t get much fluid build up at all doing this. Entering the tube flaccid is no good at all for length gains.

I get a lot more fluid build up - a much fatter cock - if I pump for 30 mins or more at lower pressures - say 3-5 inHg. I’m not sure if this will lead to any permanent gains. But in case it will, I do both kinds of pumping - cycling up to higher pressures, and longer duration lower pressure. Best of both worlds.

Aftershock - I’m really surprised you can’t feel 5inHg. I sure can, erect or flaccid. I can think of three possibilities; 1. There is something wrong with your cock, 2. There is something wrong with your pump/gauge, 3. You are not reading the gauge correctly (usually, units are expressed in inHg, which is inches of mercury - perhaps your units are different?)

Thanks for answer. I have two gauge and expression is pretty much the same with same Hg so I dont think they are both wrong. Other one is quality pump and gauge from Thickwall. Gauge shows inHg from 0.25 to 30 and inside it shows from 0 to -1. I dont know why there are to meters. 0.35 (I think this is in) equals to 10 (I think this is Hg)? Now I noticed that when the pump is off it still shows about 2Hg, I dont know if this is normal.

I think my cock is fine. Can there be individual diffrences how much you feel and can take the pressure? At 10Hg my cock is taller than in normal erection and a bit thicker, when I go down to 5Hg it gets shorter than in normal erection and also softer (because I usually dont have a hard erection in pump, sometimes I stimulate the pump, like a small movement mastubation that I get more engorged).

All right then. I’m stumped, and still surprised you can’t feel 5 inHg. Anone else like this?

Provided that Bathmate max pressure is 11.8 Hg and judging by how compressed the rubber is to check where I am I would say that 5Hg can be felt but nothing even remotely close to intense or straining.